Jul 02 08:33:40 (captainmeta4) http://www.scp-wiki.net/scp-055 -- SCP-055 - SCP Foundation: "Jul 26, 2014 ... Security guards are NOT to be posted outside SCP-055's room. It is further advised that all personnel maintaining or studying other..." Jul 02 09:10:02 https://www.reddit.com/user/al_mashuk what are they posting an image of? Jul 02 09:12:26 it says "please ban me I download childporn" Jul 02 09:12:31 i don't know Jul 02 09:31:17 when I was young, I made up an alphabet like that Jul 02 09:31:27 I still remember most of it too Jul 02 09:40:45 except it was phonetic Jul 02 09:47:09 * cwenham predicts that after a few centuries of ubiquitous e-paper technology, our alphabet will evolve to include animated letters. The first will be the "effyouglyph", which is a hand extending the middle finger and bouncing up and down. Jul 02 11:15:40 has anybody here ever done anything wit heat transfer for a cylinder in angled crossflow Jul 02 11:16:00 I cannot find an empirical correlation for the nusselt number for that scenario Jul 02 11:16:04 to save my life Jul 02 11:17:17 what are you doing? Jul 02 11:29:45 no but i have played with spiders Jul 02 11:40:29 https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CI6zbY8WwAArRep.png Jul 02 12:06:01 https://www.reddit.com/r/companion/comments/3bvvqu/i_made_an_updated_working_version_of_reddit/ Jul 02 12:06:01 (creesch) I made an updated working version of reddit companion : companion - 0 comments, 1 point - creesch, 1m ago Jul 02 12:07:47 wut dat Jul 02 12:11:01 Soul_Shot: working version of companion :p which is a nice toolbar for reddit. Jul 02 12:11:34 oh I didn't even see that Jul 02 12:11:37 Reddit once made it and then like a ton of their projects they forgot about it. Jul 02 12:11:37 I was looking on reddit itself Jul 02 12:13:31 I'm still waiting for my share of Reddit Notes Jul 02 12:13:57 didnt they can it? Jul 02 12:18:19 That's the joke Jul 02 12:18:26 .lenny Jul 02 12:18:26 ( ͡o ͜ʖ ͡o) Jul 02 12:19:19 Anyway, companion is pretty cool Jul 02 12:19:55 But somehow they decided to abandon it except that they keep it on the Chrome store. Which is silly since it is utterly broken. Jul 02 12:24:55 I imagine it has something to do with them not really caring Jul 02 12:25:12 too busy deleting fph subs and whatnot Jul 02 12:25:28 I sent them in a ring of like 10 websites that keep spamming my sub Jul 02 12:25:32 and so far no response Jul 02 12:25:36 like 4 days and counting Jul 02 12:25:56 I didn't mind them doing that, but looking at the history of this stuff they once had a bunch of awesome projects like this that would actually make Reddit better Jul 02 12:26:07 https://i.imgur.com/cSptDFS.jpg Jul 02 12:26:09 Removing fph that is Jul 02 12:26:20 I do mind them ignoring mail Jul 02 12:26:52 Yeah, it was like a ciss of toxicity and harassment just waiting to be popped Jul 02 12:27:02 People complain about coontown and whatnot Jul 02 12:27:20 but you really can't compare 10,000~ subs with very little activity Jul 02 12:27:33 vs 170k+ that regularily brings like pictures of dead obese people in a morgue Jul 02 12:27:36 to the top of /r/all Jul 02 12:49:22 Soul_Shot if you don't get a reply after 4 days then bump the thread Jul 02 12:50:19 I've bumped it like 3 times Jul 02 12:50:19 :( Jul 02 13:08:23 503-- Jul 02 13:08:56 victoria is kill Jul 02 13:09:17 503 all morning Jul 02 13:09:20 a Jul 02 13:13:38 503-- Jul 02 13:13:38 Have we heard any reasons why victoria was let go? Jul 02 13:13:47 didnt move to sf Jul 02 13:14:25 Is that official? I head she was getting a waiver on that because she had more work to do in NY than SF. It also seems like she had no advance notice. Jul 02 13:16:10 rip Jul 02 13:16:16 chooter Jul 02 13:17:11 woah, iama is private Jul 02 13:17:55 Yeah, that is going to cause some ripples Jul 02 13:18:00 they did it almost immediately Jul 02 13:20:10 This is also scuttling a major AMA that science was working on. Much bigger than the monsanto one. Jul 02 13:20:57 maybe all the mods of subreddits who were doing amas should go private Jul 02 13:32:49 iama pls explain Jul 02 13:33:17 https://www.reddit.com/r/OutOfTheLoop/comments/3bw39q/why_has_riama_been_set_to_private/csq204d Jul 02 13:33:17 (x316nuts) Why has R/Iama been set to private? : OutOfTheLoop - 28 comments, 32 points - chickenmagic, 30m ago Jul 02 13:33:20 paradox's secret anti karmanaut contingency plan finally succeeded didnt it Jul 02 13:33:32 i told you guys Jul 02 13:33:38 and you laughed at me Jul 02 13:33:43 now who'se laughing Jul 02 13:34:37 i mean im still laughing Jul 02 13:34:54 i dont knwo what happened with you two but karmanaut always had an ego Jul 02 13:35:23 agentlame: x_minus_one elfa82 Jul 02 13:35:27 HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAHAHA - https://www.reddit.com/r/nottheonion/comments/3btfd0/supreme_court_upholds_use_of_controversial/csq1qzi Jul 02 13:35:28 (Soul_Shot) Supreme Court upholds use of controversial execution drug : nottheonion - 3 comments, 0 points - reddit_the_joke, 17h ago Jul 02 13:38:25 allthefoxes: this is hilarious Jul 02 13:38:43 they just let her go with no advance notice to any of the mods of any of the iama subs Jul 02 13:38:55 and were just like 'xd figure it out shitters NOT OUR PROBLEM' Jul 02 13:39:00 JustPassingThrough basically i just called him out on his ego here once publicly Jul 02 13:39:03 and someone tattled on me Jul 02 13:39:06 did SHE even have notice Jul 02 13:39:10 and he ran a kangaroo court and demodded me Jul 02 13:39:40 kangaroo are cute tho Jul 02 13:39:48 I don't think she had any advance notice. Jul 02 13:40:16 thats pretty shitty Jul 02 13:40:21 kerovon probably not Jul 02 13:40:28 in USA you usually don't get advance notice Jul 02 13:40:29 OH Jul 02 13:40:30 WAIT Jul 02 13:40:31 i feel like if she did she would have told /r/iama Jul 02 13:40:35 at the very least Jul 02 13:40:36 THAT VICTORIA? Jul 02 13:40:38 yes Jul 02 13:40:39 that victoria Jul 02 13:40:40 Yeah, that victoria Jul 02 13:40:41 HOLY FUVK Jul 02 13:40:42 allthefoxes yes, /u/chooter Jul 02 13:40:45 science is pissed as well Jul 02 13:40:50 I was thinking of the wrong victoria Jul 02 13:40:51 allthefoxes https://www.reddit.com/r/OutOfTheLoop/comments/3bw39q/why_has_riama_been_set_to_private/csq204d Jul 02 13:40:52 (captainmeta4) Why has R/Iama been set to private? : OutOfTheLoop - 63 comments, 54 points - chickenmagic, 37m ago Jul 02 13:41:39 hmm, I think I need to turn of my outoftheloop ping for this evening Jul 02 13:42:15 Why is werner__herzog so cool? : OutOfTheLoop Jul 02 13:42:18 allthefoxes queen victoria has been dead for a very long time hun Jul 02 13:42:24 :( Jul 02 13:42:28 rip Jul 02 13:42:45 i liked working with victoria Jul 02 13:42:49 but i dont like karmanaut Jul 02 13:42:52 c'est la vie Jul 02 13:43:14 maybe voat will hire her and you can move there paradox Jul 02 13:44:24 lol fuck voat Jul 02 13:44:29 voat is run worse than reddit Jul 02 13:47:33 yeah but Jul 02 13:47:37 Paradox think about it Jul 02 13:47:40 no karmanaut Jul 02 13:49:00 yeah but…bitcoiners, r/conspiracy, and self-hating fat people Jul 02 13:49:09 thats pretty much voats entire userbase Jul 02 13:49:19 those combined make a pretty close approximation of karmanaut Jul 02 13:57:04 jesus Jul 02 13:57:05 fucking Jul 02 13:57:06 christ Jul 02 13:57:08 undelete Jul 02 13:57:08 https://www.reddit.com/r/undelete/comments/3bw49n/riama_set_to_private_after_cnn_journalist/ Jul 02 13:57:09 (allthefoxes) /r/IAmA set to private after CNN journalist receives less than... : undelete - 15 comments, 5 points - Ayy_1mao, 46m ago Jul 02 13:58:11 g01dfysh strikes again. Jul 02 14:08:15 lol Jul 02 14:17:56 relevant user name Jul 02 14:25:13 why iama ded? Jul 02 14:25:30 https://www.reddit.com/r/OutOfTheLoop/comments/3bw39q/why_has_riama_been_set_to_private/csq204d Jul 02 14:25:31 (cwenham) Why has R/Iama been set to private? : OutOfTheLoop - 272 comments, 318 points - chickenmagic, 1h ago Jul 02 14:25:37 thanks Jul 02 14:25:53 victoria left? Jul 02 14:26:40 According to the story, fired. Jul 02 14:27:01 ouch Jul 02 14:27:36 But of course, we're only seeing one side of the story with that karmanaut post, so yada yada. Jul 02 14:27:59 Will reddit do a announcement? Jul 02 14:28:06 Dunno. Jul 02 14:28:21 We're mushrooms right now :-) Jul 02 14:30:32 this is so dumb Jul 02 14:30:52 we should go out of our way to blame pao for it tho so we can win back the users affection Jul 02 14:30:55 XenoBen, they didn't the last few times admins got fired/left Jul 02 14:31:08 yeah but they should have for them too Jul 02 14:31:10 This had shut a big sub tho Jul 02 14:31:24 they definitely should have Jul 02 14:31:30 She was pretty crucial for iama to work. Jul 02 14:31:35 also Jul 02 14:31:38 !comic Jul 02 14:31:38 A big sub with a custom app. Is the app broken now, too? Jul 02 14:31:41 Cylon: http://i.imgur.com/kfdhYwu.jpg Jul 02 14:32:00 welcome back weeedbutt Jul 02 14:32:17 why am i a frog Jul 02 14:32:21 and nice comictitle Jul 02 14:32:38 was that app official btw? Jul 02 14:33:03 yeah Jul 02 14:33:43 rofl Jul 02 14:38:33 https://www.reddit.com/r/OutOfTheLoop/comments/3bw39q/why_has_riama_been_set_to_private/csq4hsb Jul 02 14:38:33 (allthefoxes) Why has R/Iama been set to private? : OutOfTheLoop - 359 comments, 438 points - chickenmagic, 1h ago Jul 02 14:38:34 pls Jul 02 14:41:04 Why is there nothing on SRD about it? Jul 02 14:42:04 theres basically no drama Jul 02 14:42:13 everyone has the same opinion right now Jul 02 14:42:16 "What the shit' Jul 02 14:42:30 There will inevitably *be* drama though. Jul 02 14:42:37 they removed the post Jul 02 14:42:41 because they're bad mods Jul 02 14:42:54 I mean, I could see replacing it with a mod-run self-post so that it actually gets updated. Jul 02 14:43:17 no they removed it for lack of drama Jul 02 14:43:22 it's one of the new mods Jul 02 14:43:37 there is a post about it in /r/drama though Jul 02 14:43:39 if you're interested Jul 02 14:43:46 Yes. What I'm saying is it'd make sense to remove so a mod-run post could take its place, but removing it wholesale is just dumb. Jul 02 14:44:26 but wouldn't this go under "dramatic happening"? Jul 02 14:44:34 Exactly. Jul 02 14:45:49 they have some bad mods Jul 02 14:46:14 that's the problem with modding people that suck up to you and really want to mod a subreddit Jul 02 14:46:21 you create this awful mod culture Jul 02 14:46:45 where people make terrible modding decisions because they're trying to fit in Jul 02 14:46:49 allthefoxes: I'm gonna have to ban you for insulting our users :D. Jul 02 14:47:01 ban me good baby Jul 02 14:47:10 TehAlpacalypse, Treebeast doing 5% of my dps at level 148 Jul 02 14:47:12 fuck yeah Jul 02 14:47:16 * cwenham wonders where to put the comma in "ban me good baby" Jul 02 14:47:27 after good Jul 02 14:47:29 Could go anywhere, really. Jul 02 14:47:29 my bad Jul 02 14:47:43 "Arr! Ban, me good baby!" Jul 02 14:47:44 ban, me good baby Jul 02 14:47:47 sounds weird Jul 02 14:48:02 lol Jul 02 14:52:00 allthefoxes: Terraria? Jul 02 14:52:15 Avast, ye scurvy landlubbers. Jul 02 15:00:43 why is iama private? Jul 02 15:00:56 See OutOfTheLoop or SRD. Jul 02 15:00:58 https://www.reddit.com/r/OutOfTheLoop/comments/3bw39q/why_has_riama_been_set_to_private/csq204d Jul 02 15:01:00 (cwenham) Why has R/Iama been set to private? : OutOfTheLoop - 517 comments, 729 points - chickenmagic, 1h ago Jul 02 15:01:06 k Jul 02 15:01:16 aww :( Jul 02 15:01:19 Reddit let Victoria go. Jul 02 15:01:47 that's sad Jul 02 15:01:59 should have let ellen pao go Jul 02 15:02:02 It seems it was rather sudden too. Jul 02 15:02:37 wonder how that breaks the iama app Jul 02 15:02:54 x_minus_one, i would imagine completely Jul 02 15:03:02 nothing loads Jul 02 15:03:09 it just shows the loading snoo Jul 02 15:03:13 so ... it fails gracefully Jul 02 15:03:15 that app fucking sucks anyway, can't make it any worse Jul 02 15:03:25 Is that a challenge? Jul 02 15:03:26 it wasn't that bad of an app for noobs Jul 02 15:03:40 if you just want to catch up on some interesting celeb Q&A then it's fine Jul 02 15:03:53 if you want to actually interact like a poweruser then get a regular third-party app Jul 02 15:06:08 i wonder why they fired victoria :( Jul 02 15:06:11 its one of these days http://i.imgur.com/ypCSG4i.jpg Jul 02 15:07:02 what's the over/under on direct conflict with chairman pao vertexoflife? Jul 02 15:07:30 If I had to take a wild guess, it was a relocation issue again. Jul 02 15:07:46 chooter lives in SFF tho Jul 02 15:07:46 joyouscacophony what are you talking about? Jul 02 15:07:47 So, indirect conflict Jul 02 15:07:52 Virtually all the admins are on the West coast, while Victoria is in New York apparently. Jul 02 15:08:18 vertexoflife - I was implying that Victoria was let go over issues with Pao Jul 02 15:08:45 Probably, Meneth - Stupid policy Jul 02 15:08:50 It is. Jul 02 15:08:56 really? I was under the assumption she traveled to NY when needed, but was located in SF with the rest of the crew Jul 02 15:08:58 For one, such a big site needs a timezone spread. Jul 02 15:09:02 maybe it was the other way around Jul 02 15:09:13 No clue. People have mentioned her being in NY tho. Jul 02 15:09:24 idk I think that's a silly assumption with no knowledge or data Jul 02 15:09:52 Referring to joyouscacophony's Pao idea, or my relocation idea? Or both? Jul 02 15:09:54 Meneth: i think some of the newer community managers are in other time zones? don't trust my word for it, though, check the team page Jul 02 15:09:54 AMA app just says "Wow, such empty" Jul 02 15:10:07 They've laid of people who can't relocate in the past, so that at least seems plausible. Jul 02 15:10:13 s/of/off Jul 02 15:10:14 Correction, They've laid off people who can't relocate in the past, so that at least seems plausible. Jul 02 15:10:40 But on the spot, with 0 communication with the mod teams? Jul 02 15:11:00 If that was why, they implemented their decision horribly. Jul 02 15:11:12 Which I suppose is par for the course with reddit. Jul 02 15:12:16 It may be a silly assumption vertexoflife, but I'd still be willing to bet it was either conflict of opinion with the pao regime or a direct consequence of a pao regime policy Jul 02 15:17:02 https://twitter.com/edfrenkel is pretty pissed at iama Jul 02 15:17:02 lol Jul 02 15:18:15 Rightfully so Jul 02 15:18:28 I'm just getting up to speed on this whole drama Jul 02 15:19:28 Someone might say that Victoria was... Jul 02 15:19:30 Kung Pao'd Jul 02 15:19:35 YEAHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH Jul 02 15:19:42 (credit: some dude in ootl) Jul 02 15:19:56 reddit let Victoria go? Jul 02 15:20:01 What the shit? Jul 02 15:20:03 One possibly bad decision—pending more information—has led to another bad decision that we know about. It'd probably be best to simply put the sub into "Self Posts: all" on the spam-filter instead of taking it private. Jul 02 15:20:04 even if it was a disagreement with Pao, firing her on the spot was an awful move. Jul 02 15:21:07 Wow, this Pao must resign might get some actual wind in its sails now. Jul 02 15:21:11 Hopefully some sort of explanation comes soon.. Jul 02 15:21:17 Getting rid of Victoria seems really dumb. Jul 02 15:22:01 I presume her contract was made under california law? that's one of the states where you are meant to have things like notice of dismissal etc. right? Jul 02 15:22:19 Gaget: it already did. Jul 02 15:22:24 I heard it was sudden so like idk what's even happening there. Jul 02 15:22:31 So Jul 02 15:22:40 Who here is considering making their subs private? Jul 02 15:22:58 In protest? Jul 02 15:23:06 It would be a third bad decision. Jul 02 15:23:10 TitanT: Only if the contract implies it as far as I can tell. Jul 02 15:23:23 I'm not liking what is happening right now, either. But with the little bit of information we have, I wouldn't be too trigger happy and shut down subreddits. We don't know what the details are. Jul 02 15:23:34 We only have karmanaut's side of the story. Jul 02 15:23:39 "California’s Labor Code specifies that an employment relationship with no specified duration is presumed to be employment “at-will.” This means, at least in theory, that the employer or employee may terminate the employment relationship at any time, with or without cause. There are exceptions to the at-will rule created by statute, the courts or public policy." Jul 02 15:23:44 (It was sudden for IAmA mods, we don't know how sudden it was for her...) Jul 02 15:23:51 Oh huh Jul 02 15:24:02 I didn't know cali had at-will. That makes more sense then. Jul 02 15:24:10 But, she probably would have told them...but maybe she wasn't allowed to. Jul 02 15:24:19 werner__herzog: We also have one PR guy who had a client who was gonna hold an AMA. Jul 02 15:24:22 I was thinking something serious must have gone down, but perhaps not if it was an at-will employment.# Jul 02 15:24:28 Who called Victoria and found out she'd just gotten fired. Jul 02 15:24:39 So it seems it happened in the last 24 hours or so. Jul 02 15:25:06 TitanT: The US is weird. At-will employment isn't really a thing here. Jul 02 15:25:17 Meneth: ugh... Jul 02 15:25:36 Mostly I'm pissed at the lack of communication from the current admins. as far as i'm aware they haven't said anything to the numerous modteams who are affected by this change. Jul 02 15:26:08 here either Jul 02 15:27:02 Taking IAMA or any other large sub private smacks of grandstanding. Jul 02 15:27:13 oh nice chooter is talking to us in /r/booksmods about helping us contact ernest cline etc. Jul 02 15:28:05 Here in Norway, you pretty much can't fire anyone with less than a month's notice, unless they've clearly broken their employment contract. Jul 02 15:28:19 New theory: Victoria decided to go out with a bam (since there were relocation issues) and slept with a Jon Hamm. Jul 02 15:28:43 Increases to two months after 5 years employment, and to three months after 10 years employment. Jul 02 15:29:38 Works in both directions for good measure. Jul 02 15:32:36 Victoria seemed nice :( Jul 02 15:32:54 #ThanksEllenPao Jul 02 15:34:18 Meneth: yeah, California is an at-will state. employer can tell you to go away at any time Jul 02 15:34:29 werner__herzog, if so then i'm jealous even as at straight dude Jul 02 15:34:29 andytuba: Yes. I quoted that above :P Jul 02 15:34:43 oh look scrollback Jul 02 15:35:19 kn0thing has responded Jul 02 15:35:24 oooh Jul 02 15:35:27 link? Jul 02 15:35:28 Link? Jul 02 15:35:44 /u/kn0thing you goobers Jul 02 15:36:08 Countdown until the iama mods are shadowbanned Jul 02 15:36:09 sheesh, it's like you don't even reddit Jul 02 15:36:10 https://np.reddit.com/r/OutOfTheLoop/comments/3bw39q/why_has_riama_been_set_to_private/csq6ekp Jul 02 15:36:10 (Cylon) Why has R/Iama been set to private? : OutOfTheLoop - 702 comments, 1,342 points - chickenmagic, 2h ago Jul 02 15:36:23 basically: none of your business, you'll do fine without her Jul 02 15:36:27 So kn0thing didn't really say anything. Jul 02 15:36:38 yep Jul 02 15:36:41 "stop whining and bring back our revenue source" Jul 02 15:36:46 ^ Jul 02 15:37:15 wow Jul 02 15:37:19 what a fucking non answer Jul 02 15:37:21 http://www.reddit.com/r/OutOfTheLoop/comments/3bw39q/why_has_riama_been_set_to_private/csq6ekp?context=3 Jul 02 15:37:27 I'm still wondering what the fuck happend to make it happen so suddenly. Jul 02 15:37:29 ok admin thx 4 helps Jul 02 15:37:30 I get that he can't give details about people Jul 02 15:37:34 but jfc Jul 02 15:37:43 thats the worst answer he could have given Jul 02 15:37:59 >end of kn0things url is ekp Jul 02 15:38:02 I mean if the issue is simply that Victoria can't relocate for example, they could have a transition period of some sort. Jul 02 15:38:03 >ellen pao is ekjp Jul 02 15:38:05 it's on my trending news thing on facebook Jul 02 15:38:07 /r/conspiracy Jul 02 15:38:13 JustPassingThrough: farcry 6 confirmed Jul 02 15:38:27 that answer was about as helpful as the admins have been in modmail lately Jul 02 15:38:28 Didn't they say in the past though that her job required her to not be in SF? Jul 02 15:39:38 And that she specifically was an exception? Jul 02 15:40:06 * allthefoxes approaches the podium in a nice tux Jul 02 15:40:13 * allthefoxes approaches the mic Jul 02 15:40:15 ahem Jul 02 15:40:23 And the non-answer of the year award goes too... Jul 02 15:40:29 * allthefoxes opens evelope Jul 02 15:40:33 pls be me Jul 02 15:40:33 /u/kn0thing! Jul 02 15:40:36 pls be me Jul 02 15:40:37 dang Jul 02 15:40:40 snubbed again Jul 02 15:40:47 * allthefoxes cheers and claps Jul 02 15:40:53 ♬lick it now, lick it good, suck this pussy just like you should♬ Jul 02 15:41:03 !comic Jul 02 15:41:03 I haven't even gotten any responses to my last three or so messages to the admins. Jul 02 15:41:05 Cylon: http://i.imgur.com/fzX8R4S.jpg Jul 02 15:41:06 ♬my neck, my back, lick my pussy and my crack♬ Jul 02 15:41:13 One of which was about a brigade, and two about ban evasion. Jul 02 15:41:15 -ekjp Jul 02 15:41:28 An extremely clear-cut brigade. Jul 02 15:41:50 As the targetted post had been removed within a second of posting by AutoModerator, and was posted by a throwaway. Jul 02 15:42:05 So iAmA mods are striking? Jul 02 15:42:11 Get my popcorn Jul 02 15:42:17 So there was no legitimate way to get to it. As far as I can tell, the admins didn't bother to do anything. Jul 02 15:42:19 Who will be the first to be shadowbanned? Jul 02 15:42:24 For all I know they didn't even bother to read my modmail. Jul 02 15:42:49 picflute, u r ootl Jul 02 15:42:55 Reddit won't put up with one of their big PR subs being made private. Either that or they'll make a poor copy of it and make that a default. Jul 02 15:43:14 we here at #modtalk fully support the actions of our administrator overlords Jul 02 15:43:18 world without end Jul 02 15:43:18 amen Jul 02 15:43:24 They have the ability to re-subscribe every current subscriber to a clone sub. Jul 02 15:43:37 but is it worth it? Jul 02 15:43:41 And who the fuck is gonna run the new sub if so? Jul 02 15:43:43 I wonder if the admins might just... take the sub? It'd be a new twist, but it's their site Jul 02 15:43:50 But if they were to do that, they'd probably just wipe the current mod team and take it public again. Jul 02 15:44:03 ooo that'd be a win for SubredditCancer Jul 02 15:44:29 I wouldn't be surprised. I mean, something like /r/nottheonion could easily be booted without causing a stir, but things like iama and askreddit are too big for them to lose Jul 02 15:45:14 MeghanAM, they've done it before Jul 02 15:45:22 last time AMA shut down Jul 02 15:45:42 meneth: were these all sent today, these unanswered messages? Jul 02 15:45:51 Nah, over the past few weeks. Jul 02 15:45:56 But look now, the site is differnt Jul 02 15:45:58 Last time AMA shut down, there were calls and begging to get it back up Jul 02 15:46:03 Not a full on Admin takeover Jul 02 15:46:10 I’ve had similar issues over the past few months getting mails answered Jul 02 15:46:19 still, they could just handwave that away Jul 02 15:46:26 I've had to PM admins lately because modmails were getting ignored Jul 02 15:46:33 stopscopiesme, we should start a petition to bring back cupcake Jul 02 15:46:38 like blatant doxx being posted and they ignored it Jul 02 15:46:59 The brigade thing was 2 weeks ago. Jul 02 15:47:16 cupcake++ Jul 02 15:47:31 I don’t understand…. there are more community managers than there has ever been, and LESS of my mail is getting answerd Jul 02 15:47:43 Hmm. Another message to the admins on the same day did get responded to very quickly. Jul 02 15:47:51 And favorably; got a ban evader shadowbanned. Jul 02 15:47:59 So that inconsistency makes things even weirder. Jul 02 15:48:04 Took spork a day to reply to my doxx mail Jul 02 15:48:37 Noticed that action was taken since the user mentioned I had set to filter in automod and found that they shadowbanned him today Jul 02 15:48:43 who usually responds to you guys? I usually only ever see sporkicide, orcrasorm, and liltrixxy Jul 02 15:48:49 Spork for doxxing Jul 02 15:48:59 LordVinyl for general issues like Ban evasion Jul 02 15:49:06 The ban evasion response was from LordVinyl. Jul 02 15:49:12 I think I’ve seen lordvinyl once Jul 02 15:49:20 i usually get spork Jul 02 15:49:22 sometimes ocra Jul 02 15:49:22 I guess they're too busy protecting people who send nudes to random people. Jul 02 15:49:28 Cylon: last time it shut down we didn't take it. the owner handed it off after discussion. Jul 02 15:49:30 usually sporky Jul 02 15:49:34 Ocra Jul 02 15:49:37 Every /r/lol mod gets him when we modmail him. It's crazy. Jul 02 15:49:39 And vinyl last on the list Jul 02 15:49:46 If every admin interaction was like that ban evasion report, everything would be great. Jul 02 15:49:52 ah, misremembered Jul 02 15:50:01 I thought I was banned from the /r/reddit.com modmail for a while because I didn't get any responses for like 3 months straight Jul 02 15:50:10 Often enough though, there's simply never a response, or it takes over a day to get one. Jul 02 15:50:12 What did you ask? Jul 02 15:50:17 x_minus_one, tbh you do really suck Jul 02 15:50:32 I asked them about reddit policy and 10mins after I made a modtalk thread Deimorz responsded Jul 02 15:50:39 /r/trashy gets a lot of obvious personal info posted Jul 02 15:50:59 HAs anyone emaild them before? Jul 02 15:51:03 and child porn occasionally Jul 02 15:51:44 TehAlpacalypse, Jul 02 15:51:45 TehAlpacalypse, Jul 02 15:51:46 picflute: when I was there, we occasionally got emails. it was pretty infrequent, tho. most of the emails were either spam or actual "press" stuff. Jul 02 15:51:49 It happened Jul 02 15:51:53 Treebeast level 1000 Jul 02 15:51:56 wow Jul 02 15:51:57 rofl Jul 02 15:51:59 35% of my dps Jul 02 15:52:03 not joking Jul 02 15:52:40 What i'm curious is with how garbage modmail is should we just email reddit.com Jul 02 15:53:18 Oh and funny enough Subredditcancer found LordVinyls' YouTube channel apparently Jul 02 15:53:19 R I P Jul 02 15:56:15 btw anyone want to take bets on how long it lasts? Jul 02 15:56:27 i'm surprised it's lasted this long Jul 02 15:57:30 https://www.reddit.com/r/bestof/comments/3bw7ms/top_mod_of_riama_explains_why_its_been_set_to/csq5mp9 Jul 02 15:57:31 (picflute) Top mod of /r/IamA explains why it's been set to private. : bestof - 61 comments, 219 points - 316nuts, 2h ago Jul 02 15:57:35 he said 2 days Jul 02 15:58:20 lol x316nuts Jul 02 15:58:24 :3 Jul 02 15:58:30 dat shameless karma grab Jul 02 15:58:37 did you manage to plug 316cats somehow yet? Jul 02 15:58:40 not yet Jul 02 15:58:47 that requires patience and careful consideration Jul 02 15:58:49 getting slow old man Jul 02 15:59:02 i gotta wait for that dumb bot to be at the top of something first before droppping muh kittehs Jul 02 15:59:47 you're a bestof mod right? Jul 02 15:59:52 not anymore Jul 02 15:59:55 just flair the post with cats Jul 02 15:59:56 oh Jul 02 15:59:59 tempting Jul 02 16:00:12 lol good point. Somehow this isn't as big a deal as fatpeoplehate to the users Jul 02 16:00:14 meh Jul 02 16:00:40 Users don't care about admins... just freeze peach Jul 02 16:06:40 iama is private? Jul 02 16:06:45 ya Jul 02 16:07:08 Victoria was let go of and IAmA mods are restructuring because of it Jul 02 16:07:20 anyone know why was victoria fired ? Jul 02 16:07:28 that's crazy Jul 02 16:08:07 No info has been released on why, but she was blindsided by it. Jul 02 16:08:59 refused to lick pao's snatch Jul 02 16:09:23 ah Jul 02 16:10:29 Apparently she was let go of? Jul 02 16:11:07 Sucks thou, admins can't exactly say why she was Jul 02 16:11:17 And if they do that's going to backfire hard on them Jul 02 16:11:28 She got PAO'd Jul 02 16:11:46 Maybe Victoria was Goldf1sh all along Jul 02 16:11:58 We all know what happened last time they discussed why someone was fired. Jul 02 16:11:59 Tripledun. Jul 02 16:12:42 Kung Paod Jul 02 16:13:33 Cunt Pao'd. Jul 02 16:14:05 lol Jul 02 16:14:10 I’m gonna guess they fired her because they saw her as fat that needed trimmed Jul 02 16:14:34 it seemed all she did was AMA stuff Jul 02 16:14:35 i do think karmanaut is prob the strongest mod here who will only be taken seriously by the admins Jul 02 16:14:44 wow Jul 02 16:14:50 so the admins were pro fph after all Jul 02 16:14:55 HAH! Jul 02 16:15:03 like dey dont care abt other people but this guy can shut the one sub which can affect reddit big time Jul 02 16:15:04 badum-tsh Jul 02 16:15:14 stopscopiesme: kn0thing will supposedly help IAMA in the interrim. Jul 02 16:15:28 So it doesn't seem they suddenly decided there was no need for someone handling AMAs. Jul 02 16:15:34 pao right in the kisser Jul 02 16:15:51 maybe she was *supposed* to be doing other stuff that wasn’t amas, and wasn’t? Jul 02 16:16:03 she did outreach Jul 02 16:16:09 her main job was getting people to do Iamas Jul 02 16:16:27 stopscopiesme, stop with your anti-victoria questioning Jul 02 16:16:32 we are firmly a cult now Jul 02 16:16:41 victoria++ Jul 02 16:16:42 pao-- Jul 02 16:16:43 it seemed to me that iamas are seen as the most important part of reddit for the admins, given the app n everything Jul 02 16:16:47 victoria++ Jul 02 16:16:56 victoria++ Jul 02 16:16:59 I can’t imagine a company struggling as hard as reddit justifying paying someone 100k+ a year (my guess of her salary) for just AMA stuff they could pawn off for free to the mods Jul 02 16:17:19 that's probably a way too high number Jul 02 16:17:19 I wonder how much of a meltdown /r/defaultmods is having. Jul 02 16:17:30 They can't be happy. Jul 02 16:17:38 I always forget about /r/defaultmods. Jul 02 16:17:38 I don’t think so. in nyc, 100k is not rich Jul 02 16:17:40 or maybe they're super happy Jul 02 16:17:40 mod me in a default and ill tell you, hueheu Jul 02 16:18:53 I’m just curious if it was connected to the jesse jackson ama, or that’s a coincedence Jul 02 16:19:03 Probably a coincidence. Jul 02 16:19:12 people are speculating she got reddit in legal trouble by typing stuff she wasn’t supposed to Jul 02 16:19:12 There's been plenty of AMA disasters in the past. Jul 02 16:19:39 what happend with the jesse jackson ama? out of the loop Jul 02 16:20:04 Stormfront. Jul 02 16:20:10 fuck Jul 02 16:20:45 it was going to be a disaster no matter what Jul 02 16:21:01 heh, at least he hit the front page. uwe boll’s ama was downvoted below the threshold Jul 02 16:22:57 aside from the inherent drama, was something else "said" that was dramatic? Jul 02 16:23:50 In regards to Jesse Jackson? Jul 02 16:23:54 There was an SRD thread. Jul 02 16:25:02 RIP x316nuts as SRD mod Jul 02 16:25:06 never 4get Jul 02 16:25:18 more like never notice ammirite Jul 02 16:25:23 -___- Jul 02 16:25:23 * x316nuts pokes stopscopiesme Jul 02 16:25:29 I take this shame and bear it Jul 02 16:25:49 it's okay if i had done *anything* at all around there it may have been noticed sooner Jul 02 16:25:50 alas Jul 02 16:25:58 my departure wasn't even a blip on the radar due to me being a lazy poo Jul 02 16:26:07 i'm okay with this Jul 02 16:26:40 I still feel silly I wrote you a pm chiding you for not staying in communication :p Jul 02 16:26:48 AHAHAHAHAHA Jul 02 16:26:57 and you didn’t even take the opportunity to respond “I quit two months ago you dumb piece of shit" Jul 02 16:26:59 "stfu what are you in my business for pffft" Jul 02 16:27:15 let the shame and cringe slowly wash over you Jul 02 16:28:11 https://www.reddit.com/r/OutOfTheLoop/comments/3bw39q/why_has_riama_been_set_to_private/csq9aou?context=3 Jul 02 16:28:43 late creesch Jul 02 16:28:50 no Jul 02 16:28:53 he posted something else Jul 02 16:28:54 we're on top of things Jul 02 16:28:57 whatever it is, it isnt showing Jul 02 16:29:03 oh Jul 02 16:29:05 Cylon: did you click Jul 02 16:29:05 it is now Jul 02 16:29:08 It's been removed or deleted. Jul 02 16:29:10 thread is locked, btw Jul 02 16:29:12 didn't show at first Jul 02 16:29:38 I approved creesch's comment, cause we're are approving relevant comments to kn0thing Jul 02 16:29:47 werner__herzog: thanks Jul 02 16:29:57 you should be able to see it now Cylon Jul 02 16:30:06 i do Jul 02 16:30:45 Cylon: it is something I also posted in defaultmods, I think people should be aware of this. Jul 02 16:31:19 cabalbots, roll out! Jul 02 16:31:20 Effectively reddit moderation depends on a third part tool and one of the creators of that tool (me) highly dislikes the fact that this is the case Jul 02 16:31:35 Toolbox <3 Jul 02 16:31:43 I couldn't moderate without it. Jul 02 16:31:51 I much rather would have a situation where toolbox was just cool and nifty but in now way necessary for mods to do work efficient. Jul 02 16:32:05 ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ Jul 02 16:32:28 morning all. how are our pitchforks today? :3 Jul 02 16:32:28 that would be nice Jul 02 16:32:30 BTW, creesch which one of us will be fixing search? Jul 02 16:32:32 but when will that happen? Jul 02 16:32:35 sharp and polished Jul 02 16:32:36 kinda the same thing with RES…. that so many people need a 3rd party extension because vanilla reddit sux Jul 02 16:32:44 greenduch: Sharpened and oiled. Jul 02 16:32:50 \o/ yay Jul 02 16:32:50 HUAH! Jul 02 16:32:53 shuddup gonzobot Jul 02 16:33:20 agentlame: sigh... you know who... it is a lot of css work Jul 02 16:33:26 I just can't get past that the admins didn't bother to write up a message to the affected subreddits. Jul 02 16:33:34 That's like... PR 101. Jul 02 16:34:20 It wouldn't even have to say much. "Victoria no longer works for us. We can't talk about the reasons why. kn0thing will try to handle her duties while we work things out." Jul 02 16:34:20 yeah meneth they just fired their only semi-pr person Jul 02 16:34:40 If something like that had been sent to all the affected subs within a few minutes of the firing, I think the mods would be a lot less up in arms. Jul 02 16:34:58 Most likely, yeah. Jul 02 16:35:34 Reddit could probably hire a 15 year old to communicate better than they do today. Jul 02 16:35:50 ...Jaden Smith would probably commmunicate better on reddit's behalf than reddit does today. Jul 02 16:35:58 And would have the advantage of being hilarious. Jul 02 16:36:28 r/science is currently scrambling to attempt to salavage a massive AMA we almost had finalized Jul 02 16:36:44 but we are having trouble getting responses. Jul 02 16:36:57 What a mess. Jul 02 16:37:46 How can admins be real if reddit isn't real: the blog post Jul 02 16:42:34 Anyone remember the Magic: The Gathering rapist guy? Apparently he got a 35 year ban from professional Magic :D Jul 02 16:42:48 yay Jul 02 16:42:59 35 years isn't long enough Jul 02 16:44:32 Anyone know where to get a really cheap lightning cable? Don't care about the quality, it's for something where I work Jul 02 16:44:37 Amazon Jul 02 16:44:47 r/science is kill. Jul 02 16:44:56 lol Jul 02 16:45:03 dey r having problems too i hear Jul 02 16:45:15 oooh Jul 02 16:45:23 i wonder if dey will take some action Jul 02 16:45:36 r/science has a lot of mods doe Jul 02 16:46:03 Most of our mods are just comment mods. Jul 02 16:46:10 I wish there was a way to sort amazon by low to high, price + shipping Jul 02 16:46:28 --- ButtServ gives channel half-operator status to krispykrackers Jul 02 16:46:39 isn't there already a way? I swear they have a "sort by price" option Jul 02 16:46:56 yeah, but it doesn't include shipping Jul 02 16:47:12 so all the $0.01 (plus $15.00 shipping) ones show up first Jul 02 16:47:16 Hello, Krispy. Jul 02 16:47:26 hey Jul 02 16:47:33 not sur what I’m doing here tbh Jul 02 16:47:36 Interesting times. Jul 02 16:47:40 but if anyone has questions or whatever, I’d love to hear it Jul 02 16:47:44 krispy always shows up when shit goes down Jul 02 16:47:47 what is love Jul 02 16:48:19 baby, don’t hurt me? Jul 02 16:48:33 We have only one side of today's story. We're wondering if there's something else we ought to know :-) Jul 02 16:48:54 regarding victoria specifically? Jul 02 16:48:59 Yup. Jul 02 16:49:17 so Jul 02 16:49:31 I woke up this morning took a shower, and checked my email while walking to work Jul 02 16:49:41 hehe Jul 02 16:49:42 second from the top was “Thank you, Victoria" Jul 02 16:49:52 and that’s how I found out Jul 02 16:49:55 what happened krispykrackers Jul 02 16:50:03 y did dey fire victoria ? Jul 02 16:50:06 or lay off Jul 02 16:50:12 I assume maybe two people here know the real reason, Alexis and Ellen Jul 02 16:50:26 I don’t know. I’m assuming terminated. I can’t imagine she would leave, she loved working here. Jul 02 16:50:29 oh Jul 02 16:50:44 That's sad. :( Jul 02 16:50:47 yeah it is Jul 02 16:50:49 she did her job well right krispykrackers Jul 02 16:50:59 der shud never be a reason to terminate Jul 02 16:51:03 this is bs Jul 02 16:51:13 I mean, there might've been one. Chances are we'll never know. Jul 02 16:51:26 There's a bit of an "let's do an Atlas Shrugged" mood circulating around here. Perhaps Alexis and Ellen can step in before it goes to a strike or something. Jul 02 16:51:38 I'm assuming Ms. Pao isn't going to pull a yishan and post about it. Jul 02 16:51:39 The real issue in my opinion is that the admins didn't bother to tell the affected subs *anything*. Jul 02 16:51:49 If she was terminated because Jesse Jackson's AMA went down in flames I will be taking issue with that. Jul 02 16:51:51 ^ Jul 02 16:51:56 wat Jul 02 16:52:04 I would for sure Jul 02 16:52:07 but we dont know Jul 02 16:52:08 im sure that was not why Jul 02 16:52:10 we never really will Jul 02 16:52:15 one of the more popular theories but frankly no one knows why Jul 02 16:52:15 that was just one ama i guess and i doubt it wud be the reason Jul 02 16:52:24 Of course. It's possible she was laid off for a terrible reason. It is possible it was for a good reason. It is possible it was for a mediocre reason. Jul 02 16:52:25 a shit ton of reddit employees have been let go lately Jul 02 16:52:26 der have been amas previously which have had problems Jul 02 16:52:31 if you notice the team page Jul 02 16:52:33 the effected subs really should have been given more notice so they could have time to plan and arrange Jul 02 16:52:35 Honestly, I think even hearing a "we actually do care about y'all" from Ellen would make people feel better. It always seems like she's not involved with the site, which probably doesn't help the whole "lel chairman pao" reputation. Jul 02 16:52:42 The only thing we know for sure, is that the admins didn't bother to tell the affected subs. Jul 02 16:52:54 basically all the old timers are gone at this point, except for krispykrackers. and maybe deimorz because he's in canada and they cant force him to move to SF Jul 02 16:53:02 Instead, IAMA learned from some PR guy representing some person who was gonna hold an AMA. Jul 02 16:53:13 wow Jul 02 16:53:15 And most everyone else learned from IAMA closing. Jul 02 16:53:25 she was great at her job Jul 02 16:53:30 They would be in so much trouble without deimorz, honestly. Jul 02 16:53:34 right ? Jul 02 16:53:36 cwenham, honestly, yeah, and I can understand it. I'm a bit mixed, but when people who literally spend so much of thier free time to make this site better just get repeatedly shit on by the people who run this site. Jul 02 16:53:43 so i dont see the reason at all krispykrackers Jul 02 16:53:57 2 defaults have already gone private over the lack of communication. Jul 02 16:54:03 what Jul 02 16:54:07 And its worse because I bet a lot of people at reddit want reddit to well too, ffs Jul 02 16:54:11 Which is the other default? Jul 02 16:54:12 funny how management seems to show a complete lack of respect for their employees as well as for reddit mods. that they would leave AMA mods, basically their flagship subreddit, hanging like that is fucking bizarre Jul 02 16:54:15 the current administration seems so distant from the sub krispykrackers.. its like they dont care anymore Jul 02 16:54:23 *site Jul 02 16:54:31 But thats the thing Jul 02 16:54:33 r/science went private about 5 minutes ago. Jul 02 16:54:38 I bet $1000000 dollars that they do care Jul 02 16:54:38 shit Jul 02 16:54:43 ho boy Jul 02 16:54:47 they just arent showing it the right fucking way Jul 02 16:54:52 yea right Jul 02 16:55:10 That's a kick in the teeth. Jul 02 16:55:25 I feel like ive been kicked in the teeth too by all this shit lately Jul 02 16:55:31 tell me about it Jul 02 16:55:36 Right Jul 02 16:55:42 so thats what upsets me Jul 02 16:55:46 we are getting kicked Jul 02 16:55:49 you are getting kicked Jul 02 16:55:52 I'm pretty sure if another well-liked admin gets the boot, shit's gonna go down Jul 02 16:55:58 Yeah. From my perspective communication is reddit's real problem. Jul 02 16:56:03 Everyone is getting kicked in the face BY REDDIT because REDDIT cant get it together Jul 02 16:56:06 Not imaginary conspiracies. Actual communication. Jul 02 16:56:11 It is presently going down. 2 defaults already. Jul 02 16:56:32 I left a comment about it here Jul 02 16:56:32 When I report an obvious, clear-cut brigade to the admins, I expect to actually get a response of *some* sort. Jul 02 16:56:33 https://www.reddit.com/r/defaultmods/comments/3bw94t/riama_goes_private_after_victoria_uchooter_is_let/csq9ytt Jul 02 16:56:39 Sorry to the non defualt mods scrubs Jul 02 16:56:41 is it cause the admins dont have a personal connection with the site anymore krispykrackers ? like before the admins used to be more u kno.. friendly and liked people and more vocal Jul 02 16:56:47 these days its all pao Jul 02 16:56:52 And when a reddit decision significantly disrupts major subs, those need to be told *something*. Jul 02 16:56:53 Pao right in the kisser Jul 02 16:56:57 or people mysteriously comming and leaving Jul 02 16:56:59 Pao! Right in the nuts. Jul 02 16:57:03 crap, you beat me allthefoxes Jul 02 16:57:04 (⊙︿⊙) crap ass Jul 02 16:58:05 This just all sucks Jul 02 16:58:07 stopscopiesme: you're my hero https://www.reddit.com/r/self/comments/3bvkf0/stop_throwing_beer_cans_on_my_lawn_while_im/csqaa0b?context=3 Jul 02 16:58:11 do u think there will be a blog post about this krispykrackers ? Jul 02 16:58:17 there wont be Jul 02 16:58:18 I don’t know Jul 02 16:58:21 theres nothing to say Jul 02 16:58:22 oh Jul 02 16:58:25 "we fired someone" Jul 02 16:58:26 I don’t think it’s /r/blog worthy Jul 02 16:58:27 fack Jul 02 16:58:28 who the fuck is even in charge of reddit? I’ve never been able to figure it out. who is actually responsible for major decisions? kn0thing? ellen pao? the board? Jul 02 16:58:33 well thats too bad Jul 02 16:58:43 stopscopiesme, reddits board is Ellen, Alexis, and some dude from Advanced Jul 02 16:58:47 well it is true i guess.. reddit has fired people before Jul 02 16:58:50 krispykrackers: Two defaults going private is a pretty big deal. Jul 02 16:58:56 yeah Jul 02 16:58:59 I’m in crisis mode Jul 02 16:59:00 and rather unprecedented tbh Jul 02 16:59:09 werner__herzog: Now I am wondering if I got replies to my comment, locked threads are pretty awesome :P Jul 02 16:59:12 I have no idea wtf to do, to be perfectly crystal clear with you guys Jul 02 16:59:17 Talk to Alexis Jul 02 16:59:18 There's a lot of Kremlin-Watching going on. Jul 02 16:59:19 Talk to ellen Jul 02 16:59:23 Tell them what we are saying Jul 02 16:59:27 krispykrackers: Sounds like you know just about as much as we do. Jul 02 16:59:28 krispykrackers u r a community manager right? i have never understood what you do now lol Jul 02 16:59:30 look we could all go muntiy mode and shut down most subs in private mode for a day in protest... but to what end, what good would it do Jul 02 16:59:32 is there anyone we should be complaining to? I feel like the admins who actually talk to us (like you) have very limited authority Jul 02 16:59:38 but thats the thing Jul 02 16:59:39 at reddit Jul 02 16:59:45 does anyone expect them to care or do anything other than boot all the mod teams? Jul 02 16:59:49 Try none at all. Jul 02 16:59:50 They act like a company of 2000 people Jul 02 16:59:54 when they have a team of 60 Jul 02 16:59:58 They split up these tasks Jul 02 17:00:04 and every team just does their fucking thing Jul 02 17:00:13 also agentlame, I called out go1dfish on his alt. no zinger though Jul 02 17:00:22 Like Jul 02 17:00:28 I mean, compartmentalization is important. You simply don't have the time to let everyone know everything. Jul 02 17:00:32 There is no reason why every admin can't be involved in /r/beta Jul 02 17:00:34 allthefoxes: well if you have a shitton of halfway finished or abandoned projects that are standing in the way I can understand you sort of have issues focussing Jul 02 17:00:37 allthefoxes: wait what Jul 02 17:00:37 creesch, I'm getting orange reds and then they disappear again, I have to hunt my replies down, too :D Jul 02 17:00:41 goldfish could have been the meta news of the day. Jul 02 17:00:46 there are plenty of reasons Jul 02 17:00:51 right Jul 02 17:00:53 Thanks based admins for burning reddit! Jul 02 17:00:55 I work for Paradox Interactive for example, but I have literally no idea what any of their unannounced games are. Jul 02 17:00:57 im not saying people can't have tasks Jul 02 17:00:59 werner__herzog: can you check my comment pretty please? :D Jul 02 17:01:03 waaaaaa Jul 02 17:01:14 im saying that, i.e. search: The CMs were basically not involved? Jul 02 17:01:17 wat u doin agentlame ? looking at the fire ? Jul 02 17:01:20 no replies Jul 02 17:01:25 Why would community managers not be involed with /r/beta Jul 02 17:01:41 Why wouldnt our feedback about the new search not get talked about, changed, and the search be still in beta Jul 02 17:01:46 communication meltdown Jul 02 17:01:47 rya: I'm wondering why the admins break mod tools and then ignore the feedback. Jul 02 17:01:57 But that's now small fries. Jul 02 17:01:59 Thats all reddit really needs to fix, to make things start to get better Jul 02 17:02:01 We know what’s happening in /r/beta. Unfortunately we (meaning the communtiy team as well as the community) don’t have final say in what gets implemented. Jul 02 17:02:06 But you should Jul 02 17:02:07 oh u know the reason right agentlame Jul 02 17:02:07 is what I mean Jul 02 17:02:11 well Jul 02 17:02:11 When a majority of the people that run your site rely on a third party extension and you focus on search and make it even worse for the same group something is clearly wrong. Jul 02 17:02:15 theres no reason you shouldnt, in my eyes at least Jul 02 17:02:29 i obviously dont work there, I cant say anything like I know it to be true Jul 02 17:02:46 and im sorry if I am, bad habit maybe Jul 02 17:03:04 btw, to mod teams that have gone private, solidarity, and best of luck to yall. Jul 02 17:03:08 oh man this is an important conversations happening here Jul 02 17:03:14 its bound to be leaked Jul 02 17:03:16 I tend to agree, but on the other hand, they feel that they should be able to implement changes for the health of the site and the site’s growth outside of community opinion. They have a certain point - they should be allowed to experiment and try new things. Unfortunately they don’t always mesh with people like us - the long term, mod-heavy, old-school community Jul 02 17:03:19 But I just dont understand why a team that manages a community cant have a say in relaying what users are saying to devs and engineers Jul 02 17:03:21 What all subs are private? Jul 02 17:03:21 greenduch: have other defaults gone private that I missed? Jul 02 17:03:23 they think about new users and logged out users and things like that Jul 02 17:03:24 What I see is a 1990s publishing mentality being applied to a 2010s social media platform - aka a cluster of fucks most high Jul 02 17:03:24 HI MOM HI DAD Jul 02 17:03:43 i believe iama and rscience Jul 02 17:03:43 krispykrackers, thats fiar, but a complete search overhaul could be argued to be far from minor Jul 02 17:03:47 krispykrackers: for the health of the website wouldn't you agree that the people that maintain that health had the proper tools? Jul 02 17:03:48 not sure about others Jul 02 17:04:02 Obviously you don't need to answer that Jul 02 17:04:04 And honestly, this is a community website Jul 02 17:04:06 heh let krispy reply to one comment atleast Jul 02 17:04:08 also folks please try to be gentle to kk in here. Jul 02 17:04:14 i do love you kk Jul 02 17:04:17 wait, that search page made it out of beta? Jul 02 17:04:18 and i know this is not easy on you Jul 02 17:04:27 <3 so much, not trying to be hard on you Jul 02 17:04:29 just venting a bit Jul 02 17:04:35 I mean, you are here trying to talk to us while the people that actually decide these things are silent. Jul 02 17:04:42 well she cant do much foxes Jul 02 17:04:44 exactly Jul 02 17:04:47 So it isn't even fair for me to ask Jul 02 17:04:48 we love you kk im sorry you have to deal with our bitching <3 though i think its pretty understable that people are upset, it sucks youre the person who has to deal with it <3 Jul 02 17:05:00 krispykrackers ^ Jul 02 17:05:03 and we appreciate you actually talking to us <3 Jul 02 17:05:05 It just doesn't make sense to me, that a community website that is ltierally based around the ideas of COMMUNITY would make changes without at least CONSIDERING that communty Jul 02 17:05:17 i was intentionally not pinging her, rya , so she wasnt getting pinged every line :p Jul 02 17:05:25 ah Jul 02 17:05:26 greenduch: pls Jul 02 17:05:26 I get that maybe you want to make changes and shit, that arent to heavily involved Jul 02 17:05:33 oh Jul 02 17:05:35 but,the community should be at least considered Jul 02 17:05:36 to me Jul 02 17:05:36 You answered Jul 02 17:05:43 anyways, I don't like bitching this much, I need a drink Jul 02 17:05:52 what am i talking about i love bitching about everything Jul 02 17:05:57 aye, this does call for a drink, or three Jul 02 17:06:01 asking for admins feedback agentlame ? Jul 02 17:06:01 im a reddit mod after all Jul 02 17:06:03 agentlame pls Jul 02 17:06:04 ayyyyyy Jul 02 17:06:14 if we were in a pub I'd buy the first round Jul 02 17:06:22 rya: according to krispy I didn't. :p Jul 02 17:06:22 I don't think any of us would mind if KK "leaked" this #modtalk conversation to Alexis and Ellen. Jul 02 17:06:34 hehe Jul 02 17:06:35 gud gud Jul 02 17:06:43 i m afraid of how things are going Jul 02 17:07:25 well victoria is gone Jul 02 17:07:29 I mean, I’m a community manager. I think I should have final say in EVERYTHING that happens to reddit because I listen to you guys and you guys are all smarter than I am. Unfortunately we’re not a small startup anymore and we’re restricted to teams now. The community team, outside of deimorz and lately weffey, doesn’t implement features, and really never implement UI features, mostly admin/mod tools and spam tools and things Jul 02 17:07:29 like that. Jul 02 17:07:51 ah Jul 02 17:08:05 is there anything we could do to pressure change? Jul 02 17:08:34 " mostly admin/mod tools and spam tools" That's what we need a lot more of, tho. Jul 02 17:08:35 well i appreciate all you have done krispykrackers .. I get the company is no more the old one and its pretty cut off i guess Jul 02 17:08:40 I guess that depends on how this little 'private default strike'\ goes. Jul 02 17:08:50 give me 5 minutes Jul 02 17:08:53 phone call Jul 02 17:08:53 Like creesch, every important sub shouldn't have to rely on a 3rd party extension in order to moderate properly. Jul 02 17:08:57 oh boy Jul 02 17:09:02 s/creesch/creesch said Jul 02 17:09:02 Correction, Like creesch said, every important sub shouldn't have to rely on a 3rd party extension in order to moderate properly. Jul 02 17:09:34 https://www.reddit.com/r/OutOfTheLoop/comments/3bw39q/why_has_riama_been_set_to_private/csq9aou?context=3 Jul 02 17:09:56 toolbox has 6000 users, which is a huge amount of the active mods... Jul 02 17:10:09 it never ever gotten this popular Jul 02 17:10:15 *should Jul 02 17:10:34 Well... Jul 02 17:10:43 The only reason it did is because it fills a huge gap in needed tools Jul 02 17:10:44 It does have a queue ketteh also. Jul 02 17:10:56 reddit's community wields the total power here, but the crux of a protest of any kind is making it constructuve instead of destructive Jul 02 17:11:04 u kno... i think kn0thing has lost his sight of what this site was Jul 02 17:11:05 and frankly, sometimes it even does so poorly because we can't substitute server side stuff. Jul 02 17:11:08 That's easily worth 10k installs. Jul 02 17:11:14 just don't go go1dfish protest Jul 02 17:11:17 EvilNight: Reddit doesn't really have the tools for that. Jul 02 17:11:19 agentlame: kitteh totally is Jul 02 17:11:35 yeah, Iv'e heard that excuse before Jul 02 17:11:38 And strikes can be incredibly effective in real life. Jul 02 17:11:41 and that's what it comes back to, isn't it, meneth: lack of tools Jul 02 17:11:43 if you can even call what he did and/or is doing a protest Jul 02 17:11:48 grow balls, write code, a $50m warchest can pay for a lot of top programming talent Jul 02 17:11:49 Norwegian society is basically built on the threat of strikes. Jul 02 17:12:46 krispykrackers, but..thats what I still dont understand..I said it in defaultmods. Yeah, you arent a little startup..but you are a group of SIXTY people. Thats nothing. Absolutely nothing. Different then 20? Yes, but reddit needs to figure out how it wants to be run. Does it want to be run like it has 6000 emplyees, or 60 Jul 02 17:12:55 its been acting like it has 6000, and its not working Jul 02 17:13:03 at least, from a community perspective Jul 02 17:13:05 yes Jul 02 17:13:06 I've been a broken record for seven years... all the problems we see can be solved by coding new features into the website, most of them are in fact trivial solutions other sites perfected long ago... yet this never happens Jul 02 17:13:10 maybe from a numbers perspective, it is! Jul 02 17:13:20 I can walk over to tdohz’s desk and say “hey I think this feature is a bad idea, check out this thread" Jul 02 17:13:31 but ultimately I am not their boss and don’t have final say in what gets done Jul 02 17:13:33 on her team Jul 02 17:13:36 But then what you say gets thrown out Jul 02 17:13:37 right Jul 02 17:13:42 and that really sucks Jul 02 17:13:43 well i doubt anything we say here does anything allthefoxes .. she doesnt really have to power to do anything and the peson who does that wont listen to anyone Jul 02 17:13:51 Im not saying she does Jul 02 17:13:57 the ideas are out there krispy, god knows theory of reddit alone has created stacks of scijourno-level papers on how to make things better Jul 02 17:14:00 I dont expect kk to do a damn thing Jul 02 17:14:01 then what r u saying Jul 02 17:14:07 how do we get them to listen to that and take action, that's the rub Jul 02 17:14:09 and y r u saying it Jul 02 17:14:10 I'm just explaining what I see Jul 02 17:14:17 so maybe there is some different perspective Jul 02 17:14:24 different what ? Jul 02 17:14:33 A great example of reddit's failure to communicate: /r/snoogaming. Jul 02 17:14:37 i dont get it Jul 02 17:14:46 Finally it looked like we were actually getting heard. And then the admin in charge of that got laid off. Jul 02 17:14:54 And no one picked up the slack. Jul 02 17:14:55 Obv kk is not thdoz's boss, but if kk has to go so far to say "Hey, people are bringing this up, its pretty serious" and it still gets thrown out, something is clearly wrong Jul 02 17:15:05 oh they know Jul 02 17:15:06 it’s not that it gets thrown out Jul 02 17:15:10 they just view it differently Jul 02 17:15:19 And look what its done Jul 02 17:15:21 hahaha Jul 02 17:15:29 like how krispykrackers ? Jul 02 17:15:42 I'll pen it down in my "book of reddit fuck ups, Vol. 19" Jul 02 17:15:55 u shud post in r/tifu Jul 02 17:15:58 lol Jul 02 17:16:01 i wonder if kn0thing will post one Jul 02 17:16:08 tifu by firing victoria Jul 02 17:16:09 TIFU by laying off Victoria Jul 02 17:16:11 hehe Jul 02 17:16:15 it would break the sub Jul 02 17:16:15 i will approve it Jul 02 17:16:17 haha Jul 02 17:16:25 top of all in minutes Jul 02 17:16:35 more popular then jenny Jul 02 17:17:02 > tifu by firing victoria Jul 02 17:17:04 nice! Jul 02 17:17:11 But, like, what I mean is just that..as a team, the team could have these inpouts. Youre not the boss, clearly..but if something gets said, it should be heard. And if enough users are saying it, they dont see it that way, you go up to them, they still don't see it, then somehting is ust going wrong Jul 02 17:17:17 rya, they look at data and bounce rates and page depths and stuff Jul 02 17:17:29 X feature cause Y growth Jul 02 17:17:30 etc Jul 02 17:17:33 oh Jul 02 17:17:35 thats not "seeing things differently", thats "ignoring the community" when things cause this much trouble Jul 02 17:17:35 the numbes Jul 02 17:17:41 well thats great Jul 02 17:17:47 And ofc they dont really want to do somehting for the community Jul 02 17:17:49 I can understand that Jul 02 17:17:54 as i was saying Jul 02 17:17:59 but, like, its a website founded on the principle of communities Jul 02 17:18:06 kn0thin has lost sight of what this sub is i guess Jul 02 17:18:07 lol Jul 02 17:18:12 thats fine, let them look at the bounce rate when IAMA and rscience have their doors closed :p Jul 02 17:18:15 kek Jul 02 17:18:20 hehe Jul 02 17:18:28 i guess numbers will start speaking Jul 02 17:18:38 kn0thin hasnt had on-the-ground reddit experience in like a fucking decade Jul 02 17:18:51 but thats just the thing for me. If the community says something, through our lips, or through kks lips. Jul 02 17:18:59 Pissing off all the big mods is always a great idea. Jul 02 17:19:01 he's an executive chairman with his head in the clouds, he is disconnected from how reddit aactually functions Jul 02 17:19:06 What could possibly go wrong. Jul 02 17:19:07 It needs to be taken into a deeper look Jul 02 17:19:07 krispykrackers: I’m in crisis mode Jul 02 17:19:10 well dey had admins who actually cared before Jul 02 17:19:13 ELI5 might shut down Jul 02 17:19:16 good Jul 02 17:19:18 now all dat is left is krispy and deimorz Jul 02 17:19:21 This gets better by the minute Jul 02 17:19:26 oopss sorry for the ping Jul 02 17:19:47 props to ELI5, frankly Jul 02 17:19:48 frankly krispky, I'm used to being able to walk into my boss' office and tell him off in a rant... this is why I work at smaller startups mostly, the boss isn't such an egomaniac that he can't handle criticism Jul 02 17:19:55 kk can't do a damn thing about this, but kn0thing and the chairman can. No one excpects victria to come back (anyone who does is a retard) Jul 02 17:19:56 I don't know how you tolerate it, I've never been able to :P Jul 02 17:20:03 politics is debating it, as well. Jul 02 17:20:03 Heh, circlejerk has gone private. Not really a surprise. Jul 02 17:20:04 I know drunken_economist cares Jul 02 17:20:11 "If you have any concerns, please contact circlejerk at: berniesandersforpresident@reddit.com" Jul 02 17:20:12 but reddit needs to step up the bar for communication Jul 02 17:20:13 lol Jul 02 17:20:14 krispykrackers, do you think more subs should join science. Jul 02 17:20:17 If I could get once open answer form the admins, I think it would be if kn0thing plays a fiddle in the office. krispykrackers, any insight? Jul 02 17:20:23 well yea but not like the previous admins The1RGood Jul 02 17:20:23 one* Jul 02 17:20:24 no cause that would make her job a nightmare kwiztas Jul 02 17:20:25 Meneth: I think they've been private for a week now? Jul 02 17:20:26 it already is Jul 02 17:20:27 ^^ Jul 02 17:20:35 no, I don’t know what privatizing defaults is supposed to do other than punish the subscribers Jul 02 17:20:38 joyouscacophony: Well, they've updated their description at least. Jul 02 17:20:47 I can see /r/IAmA, they are literally unhinged Jul 02 17:20:49 Well, it will certainly change those numbers Jul 02 17:20:51 i guess u r right kk Jul 02 17:20:53 Good on them, really Jul 02 17:21:03 well, if all defaults went private for a day, linking to an open letter to reddit, shit would go down for sure Jul 02 17:21:07 I think privitizing defaults is supposed to "get subs on board" or something Jul 02 17:21:10 if they wont listen to community, maybe numbers could get someone to do SOMETHING about this communication idea Jul 02 17:21:11 kinda like the wikipedia blackout Jul 02 17:21:15 but that's more likely to be destructive than constructive Jul 02 17:21:19 back when that happened Jul 02 17:21:21 this shouldn't require a public protest Jul 02 17:21:26 krispykrackers: Reddit did their thing for SOPA a few years ago. Jul 02 17:21:30 the fact that there are a fuckload of concerned mods here should be enough Jul 02 17:21:35 I get the facebook might want to look at numbers rather than people Jul 02 17:21:36 that was politically based Jul 02 17:21:40 but reddit is a site about community Jul 02 17:21:41 If more defaults went private to drive an admin response... I don't know Jul 02 17:21:58 i think shutting down things is literally the only power that mods that isnt just whining. and whining for years hasnt done anything. Jul 02 17:22:02 well what's the worst that can happen - they change the defaults to other subs Jul 02 17:22:03 I'm focusing more on effect than motive, but yea, I know what you mean Jul 02 17:22:06 nothing should really get done without the community being involved, search pages, or site changes that will drastically change one of the biggest subs on the site Jul 02 17:22:07 that would be a good thing imo Jul 02 17:22:21 the whole "Oh well the numbers say this" clearly isn;t working for reddit Jul 02 17:22:24 they ban all old default mod teams - well, we take our bots and go home, the subs die Jul 02 17:22:28 for the community at least Jul 02 17:22:30 Meneth, it pushed their agenda then Jul 02 17:22:34 i think shutting down subs that aren't specifically effective will just look petty and not get the outcome people want Jul 02 17:22:48 s/effective/effected Jul 02 17:22:48 Correction, i think shutting down subs that aren't specifically effected will just look petty and not get the outcome people want Jul 02 17:22:49 but I worry they'll figure out a way to respond that is so spectacularly supid it actually destroys the website Jul 02 17:22:58 redtaboo: affected :p Jul 02 17:23:03 :p Jul 02 17:23:06 ty andytuba Jul 02 17:23:14 when in doubt, impacted is my friend :) Jul 02 17:23:20 redtaboo: All subs are affected by how terrible reddit's communication is. Jul 02 17:23:24 ^ Jul 02 17:23:24 oh hi redtaboo how is ur cat Jul 02 17:23:24 works with both subreddits and teeth, joyouscacophony Jul 02 17:23:27 ohhh.. good ti[, joyouscacophony ! Jul 02 17:23:39 cats are great, thank rya! Jul 02 17:23:45 Im fine with subs going down. Idk about taking down my own, but im fine with it Jul 02 17:23:56 noice Jul 02 17:23:58 if people whining doesnt do anything, numbers will do something Jul 02 17:24:01 Meneth they are all impacted, but every sub soing so would dilute the message, IMO Jul 02 17:24:08 All my subs are below 40k subs, and they too are affected by how shit communication is. Jul 02 17:24:15 redtaboo, do u rub ur cat's belly Jul 02 17:24:21 I reported a brigade two weeks ago for example. Fuck all happened. Never got a response. Jul 02 17:24:23 ANYWAYS Jul 02 17:24:25 I need a drink Jul 02 17:24:26 i do! I did a few minutes ago even Jul 02 17:24:31 KK needs a drink too Jul 02 17:24:34 go get one kk Jul 02 17:24:41 pls post vid of rubbing the cat belly redtaboo Jul 02 17:24:48 OMG DOX Jul 02 17:24:49 just hit the bong calm down Jul 02 17:24:49 i wud pay in cupcakes Jul 02 17:25:02 boo u redtaboo i just want to see cat belly Jul 02 17:25:03 lol kk is going to be working late into tonight, I bet Jul 02 17:25:11 no drinks for her Jul 02 17:25:20 s/more/no Jul 02 17:25:20 Correction, I'm focusing no on effect than motive, but yea, I know what you mean Jul 02 17:25:27 hrm Jul 02 17:25:31 bad gonzobot Jul 02 17:25:41 i was correcting stops not 1r Jul 02 17:25:45 lol Jul 02 17:25:49 > mfw redtaboo wont post her cat vids Jul 02 17:25:54 ( .__.) Jul 02 17:26:01 It's backwards. :p Jul 02 17:26:04 really tho, that just seems like some hot bs to me Jul 02 17:26:32 Regardless of what numbers say, when people say "Hey, this critical part of the site breaks using this new thing" Jul 02 17:26:45 thats not even a numbers thing. Everyone will get mad at redesigns Jul 02 17:27:03 what are you talking about specifically? Jul 02 17:27:16 well this will work out i guess allthefoxes .. reddit will prob just hire someone else and bring it back to normal Jul 02 17:27:30 You cant moderate from the new search krispykrackers Jul 02 17:27:52 ahh gotcha Jul 02 17:27:55 right Jul 02 17:28:17 \o/ we did it, reddit!!!!!!!!!!!! https://www.reddit.com/r/defaultmods/comments/3bvy6k/an_open_letter_to_the_admins_pls_sthap/csqbhdd?context=3 Jul 02 17:28:17 HOOHAH! Jul 02 17:28:20 thats what I meant btw Jul 02 17:28:21 thought i saw a note from tdohz that there's already a roadmap for mod tools on new search and ?feature=legacy_search int he meanwhile? Jul 02 17:28:22 krispykrackers, Jul 02 17:28:39 I didnt mean the redesign, people get mad at a line spacing increase Jul 02 17:28:58 I meant the mod tools not working on search Jul 02 17:29:18 I hear you allthefoxes Jul 02 17:29:29 madlee looks like he’s going to address it Jul 02 17:29:41 More than a few people brought it up, and I have a sneaking feeling that it wouldnt have been "forgotten about" if everyone had that input on the UI Jul 02 17:29:45 rather than the UI team ;) Jul 02 17:30:04 lol cupcake Jul 02 17:30:05 https://www.reddit.com/r/SubredditDrama/comments/3bwgjf/riama_set_to_private_over_mod_firing/csq88bq Jul 02 17:30:05 (rya) /r/IAmA set to private over mod firing : SubredditDrama - 865 comments, 1,193 points - eonOne, 2h ago Jul 02 17:30:32 people will alwyas always always say "this new thing is ass" Jul 02 17:30:43 but the new search was ACTUALLY ass, :( Jul 02 17:31:14 Also personally I think clicking on a link should take you to the link not the comments but thats just my thought Jul 02 17:31:23 allthefoxes chill your hyperbole Jul 02 17:31:28 never Jul 02 17:31:29 yes, it breaks toolbox Jul 02 17:31:35 however Jul 02 17:31:38 it is a reasonable layout Jul 02 17:31:45 Im not arguing about the layout Jul 02 17:31:47 the layout is fine Jul 02 17:31:52 Im saying you literally cant moderate from it Jul 02 17:31:54 extensions or not Jul 02 17:32:08 !image gonwild Jul 02 17:32:08 XenoBen: http://i.giphy.com/3oEdvb83TflUW6KTNm.gif [NSFW] - "I was hypnotized by the pulsing void." submitted 3 months ago by vt_pete to /r/gonwild [34] (http://redd.it/30x9r9) [3 comments] Jul 02 17:32:21 okay fine it's ass for moderation Jul 02 17:32:31 thats what i meant Jul 02 17:32:34 then say it Jul 02 17:32:37 Sorry for poor wording Jul 02 17:32:41 defaultmods right now Jul 02 17:32:42 https://img.4plebs.org/boards/pol/image/1398/05/1398050399281.png Jul 02 17:32:51 axaxax Jul 02 17:33:07 Soul_Shot, did another one go private? Jul 02 17:33:16 well science and iama Jul 02 17:33:17 so far Jul 02 17:33:19 i heard eli5 was thinking aout it Jul 02 17:34:11 .yt 30 rock shut it down Jul 02 17:34:12 (x_minus_one) Shut It Down - length 2m 6s - 337 likes, 6 dislikes (98.3%) - 120,297 views - xrichybluex on 2012.10.21 - http://youtu.be/CJ8cjlEMLR0 Jul 02 17:34:17 oh wait Jul 02 17:34:26 victoria is commenting Jul 02 17:34:37 but i guess she cant say why she was fired Jul 02 17:34:47 stupid NDA Jul 02 17:34:53 where is she commenting? Jul 02 17:34:56 what if she blinked it in morse code Jul 02 17:35:04 vhttps://www.reddit.com/r/pics/comments/3bwev7/i_had_the_pleasure_of_meeting_uchooter_in_person/csq9q0z Jul 02 17:35:05 (rya) I had the pleasure of meeting u/chooter in person a few months ago.... : pics - 99 comments, 309 points - beernerd, 3h ago Jul 02 17:35:09 here Jul 02 17:35:09 https://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/1zcmfq/mark_karpeles_blinking_a_morse_code Jul 02 17:35:10 kek Jul 02 17:35:10 (Soul_Shot) Mark Karpeles blinking a morse code : Bitcoin - 146 comments, 33 points - cokea, 1y ago Jul 02 17:35:16 thanks Jul 02 17:37:09 bitcoiners always crack me up Jul 02 17:37:36 Which is actually a good thing for bitcoin... Jul 02 17:38:18 I work for a bitcoin startup. I agree, x_minus_one. I'm hilarious. Jul 02 17:38:25 i mined bitcoins when they were like 2 cents each on my university's internet with my pc and have thousands in bitcoin that i never sold ama Jul 02 17:39:06 Does any have a list of private subreddits other than iama, CJ, and science? Jul 02 17:39:25 ManWithoutModem: can u gib me money pls Jul 02 17:39:30 heh Jul 02 17:39:35 what's c3 Jul 02 17:39:41 I thought those were the only 2/3 gilgamesh Jul 02 17:39:43 .lenny Jul 02 17:39:43 ( ͡o ͜ʖ ͡o) Jul 02 17:39:52 gilgamesh, we could make a quick script Jul 02 17:40:07 !mods space Jul 02 17:40:07 r/space has 18 mods: tuber, oregono, ManWithoutModem, relic2279, kjoneslol, panickedthumb, Chezzik, ggitaliano, Walter_Bishop_PhD, Captainpatch, dhamster, EchoLogic, Waz_Met_Jou, SpaceSidebar, AutoModerator, EditingAndLayout, greatyellowshark, and cupcake1713 Jul 02 17:40:11 who wants to go private Jul 02 17:40:16 ManWithoutModem, i m hiring u to find da mystery of victoria's murder. make us proud! Jul 02 17:40:25 hehe Jul 02 17:40:25 circlejerk shoulda just changed css Jul 02 17:40:29 instead of making itactualyl private Jul 02 17:40:29 kek Jul 02 17:40:35 I still have css pages for banned/private Jul 02 17:40:35 https://www.reddit.com/r/defaultmods/comments/3bw94t/riama_goes_private_after_victoria_uchooter_is_let/csqba7c?context=3 Jul 02 17:40:39 and 503 Jul 02 17:40:42 I feel like nottheonion should make fun of it Jul 02 17:40:43 wow kn0thing is out of the loop Jul 02 17:40:48 Cj has been private for like a week Jul 02 17:40:58 lol cj Jul 02 17:41:06 ^ and ^ Jul 02 17:41:19 ^^^^^ Jul 02 17:42:05 * allthefoxes pens this all down in "Reddit's book of fuck up's, vol. 14" Jul 02 17:42:11 OOOH SOUL_SHOT Jul 02 17:42:18 youdontsurf should go private Jul 02 17:42:19 I'm out of the loop, why is cj private? Jul 02 17:42:30 can you guys please not nickname this in something that ends in “-enning” or “-gate”? Jul 02 17:42:41 Bannenninggate Jul 02 17:42:43 let’s be more creative this time Jul 02 17:42:47 Chootgate Jul 02 17:42:54 Victorinox :p Jul 02 17:43:00 The chootening Jul 02 17:43:31 I suggest adding "showzen" to the end Jul 02 17:43:33 https://www.reddit.com/r/bestof/comments/3bx1m0/ukarmanaut_and_ukn0thing_show_why_riama_is/ Jul 02 17:43:33 (creesch) /u/karmanaut and /u/kn0thing show why /r/iama is private right now : bestof - 0 comments, 3 points - creesch, 22m ago Jul 02 17:43:34 krispykrackers they've changed the private message Jul 02 17:43:42 heh Jul 02 17:43:45 krispykrackers, didn't you know all conspiracies get gate since watergate? Jul 02 17:43:54 paoooenning Jul 02 17:43:56 krispenningkrackergate Jul 02 17:43:56 to reflect that http://i.imgur.com/1lsMqw0.png Jul 02 17:43:58 paogate Jul 02 17:44:03 watergate was a conspiracy about water Jul 02 17:44:12 ^ true fact Jul 02 17:44:12 you would think Jul 02 17:44:17 ellen pao did 9/11 Jul 02 17:44:27 maybe pao is the reason california hasnt got much water Jul 02 17:44:27 ellen pao is nixon. Jul 02 17:44:31 #watergate Jul 02 17:44:48 "Victoria Times" Jul 02 17:45:17 Victorian Scandal. Jul 02 17:45:33 the amappening Jul 02 17:45:35 PAO right in the teeth Jul 02 17:45:37 Victoria's Secret. Jul 02 17:45:40 lol Jul 02 17:45:40 Victoria's sec... Jul 02 17:45:41 YES Jul 02 17:45:43 damn it Jul 02 17:45:44 LOL Jul 02 17:45:58 Meneth wins Jul 02 17:46:01 gg Jul 02 17:46:04 Victoria's Secret Firing? Jul 02 17:46:07 i think that is officially the title Jul 02 17:46:24 unless they make it not a secret then... Jul 02 17:46:31 Victoria's Secret Shame Jul 02 17:46:34 OMG Jul 02 17:46:35 VICTORIA'S SECRET REVEALED Jul 02 17:46:38 Didn't someone else already made that joke over SRD? Jul 02 17:46:40 SO THIS IS IT Jul 02 17:46:42 FUCK Jul 02 17:46:46 coloicito: Almost certainly. Jul 02 17:46:48 I haven't seen it tho. Jul 02 17:46:50 titrc Jul 02 17:46:55 well Jul 02 17:46:56 HOW DID NO ONE PUT TOGETHER THE PIECES Jul 02 17:46:59 im going to go out for a bit Jul 02 17:47:01 #VictoriasSecretFiring Jul 02 17:47:08 please dont shut anymore subs down while im gone Jul 02 17:47:12 coloicito: yeah I saw it in SRD Jul 02 17:47:13 PAO, RIGHT IN THE VICTORIA Jul 02 17:47:18 haha Jul 02 17:47:22 allthefoxes: ok, I'll hold on on making aa private then Jul 02 17:47:24 yall are extremely silly Jul 02 17:47:29 I'm so sad about Victoria Jul 02 17:47:31 Gotta cut the dank memes supply from the root Jul 02 17:47:32 she's so great. Jul 02 17:47:37 YOUR FACE IS SILLY! Jul 02 17:47:42 maybe victoria tried to negotiate her salary huehuehue Jul 02 17:47:45 also if i was victoria i think a victoria's secret joke would be really annoying to me Jul 02 17:47:53 Dank memes can't melt Victorian beams. Jul 02 17:48:10 http://redd.it/3bx4vk Jul 02 17:48:16 Dank feminazis can't melt victorian memes Jul 02 17:48:17 lol foxes Jul 02 17:48:23 !op Jul 02 17:48:23 --- ButtServ gives channel operator status to noeatnosleep Jul 02 17:48:25 greenduch, you would probley be used to it if your name was victoria Jul 02 17:48:39 boo noeatnosleep for leaving us ;__; Jul 02 17:48:46 yeah booo Jul 02 17:48:49 Aw Jul 02 17:48:53 yeah booo nens Jul 02 17:48:54 2dank4me, mwm Jul 02 17:48:58 You broke our hearts. Jul 02 17:49:01 I'm so mean! Jul 02 17:49:04 yea Jul 02 17:49:12 y u leave srotd noeatnosleep ;__; Jul 02 17:49:12 This is the first time I can remember in the last couple years a default going private... Jul 02 17:49:15 r/boou Jul 02 17:49:19 Anyone know the last time? Jul 02 17:49:22 2 i think Jul 02 17:49:22 I can't remember. Jul 02 17:49:24 --- noeatnosleep sets invite on R:blueshiftlabs Jul 02 17:49:28 Why didn't I think of "Victoria's Secret Firing" earlier? I could probably have gotten a few hundred comment karma. Jul 02 17:49:30 COME BACK NENS Jul 02 17:49:30 !deop Jul 02 17:49:30 --- ButtServ removes channel operator status from noeatnosleep Jul 02 17:49:56 danke Jul 02 17:49:57 joyouscacophony: someday Jul 02 17:50:10 You Meneth? I was exactly 2 seconds behind you! Jul 02 17:50:19 yea Meneth Jul 02 17:50:23 totally Jul 02 17:50:28 i shud make a meme Jul 02 17:50:30 hmmm Jul 02 17:50:34 make it dank Jul 02 17:50:34 "Bad Luck Meneth" Jul 02 17:50:43 "Thinks of meme - Too late" Jul 02 17:51:08 post it to me_irl Jul 02 17:51:37 allthefoxes, you don’t have to reply to everything I post :) Jul 02 17:51:43 I was hoping for an answer from nallen Jul 02 17:51:50 he seems the most involved in the /r/science decision Jul 02 17:51:58 nallen went offline shortly to drive home. Jul 02 17:51:59 I’m honestly curious about what the goal here is Jul 02 17:52:00 ahh Jul 02 17:52:01 thanks Jul 02 17:52:03 I can be patient Jul 02 17:52:16 but the general feel in r science modmail and chats is that the response we got Jul 02 17:52:26 didn't answer any of the questions we asked. Jul 02 17:52:28 "haha, sucks to be you"? Jul 02 17:52:34 maybe have a discussion on the r/science modmail krispykrackers ? Jul 02 17:52:37 dat cud help Jul 02 17:52:46 I mean, he posted in /r/defaultmods Jul 02 17:52:50 well yea Jul 02 17:53:00 but i doubt he is the face of the sub Jul 02 17:53:02 why would you post about something if you weren’t opening it up for discussion Jul 02 17:53:08 krispykrackers: the goal is several fold. Jul 02 17:53:08 no, but he is the face of the AMA’s Jul 02 17:53:12 ah Jul 02 17:53:23 I recently quit three defaults mainly due to the lack of admin support. Jul 02 17:53:29 lemme seeee Jul 02 17:53:32 sorry kk Jul 02 17:53:42 Im obviously <3 Jul 02 17:53:44 er Jul 02 17:53:51 i dont know what i was typing there Jul 02 17:53:56 anyways, <3 Jul 02 17:54:03 modmailing would show you are contacting the sub directly to try to answer their questions when they we redirected to AMA@reddit.com Jul 02 17:54:16 I think what pushed science over was the nonanswers we got from admins. Jul 02 17:54:24 Our tools suck. You broke our search filters. You fired the only admin who actively engaged with us. Jul 02 17:54:51 krispykrackers, take /r/askreddit private Jul 02 17:54:55 pls Jul 02 17:54:58 ^ please Jul 02 17:55:17 Can we not get kk fired plz? Jul 02 17:55:25 yeah Jul 02 17:55:25 she will be by tomorrow probs Jul 02 17:55:26 lets not Jul 02 17:55:29 he seems to be pissed krispykrackers heh Jul 02 17:55:30 who knows Jul 02 17:55:30 mwm so mean Jul 02 17:55:35 wtf i love kk Jul 02 17:55:39 me 2 <3 Jul 02 17:55:41 [14:54] Our tools suck. You broke our search filters. You fired the only admin who actively engaged with us. <-- I dont think putting everything on kk like that is likely to keep her talking to you in here Jul 02 17:55:44 except for the time she vetod me in /r/askreddit Jul 02 17:55:46 to be modded Jul 02 17:55:48 because bep asked her to Jul 02 17:55:52 when i had full support Jul 02 17:55:56 wer is bep anyway Jul 02 17:55:58 redtaboo: I was answering a question. Jul 02 17:56:01 being useless Jul 02 17:56:04 I don't think that was directed directly at kk redtaboo Jul 02 17:56:05 havent seen him at all lol Jul 02 17:56:13 yeah he's a joke Jul 02 17:56:14 lol mwm Jul 02 17:56:21 I mean, I quit three defaults a week ago because of things tangentially related to this. Jul 02 17:56:23 oh cmon he was super active Jul 02 17:56:28 LOL Jul 02 17:56:31 why is everyone pissed at kk? Jul 02 17:56:34 no one is Jul 02 17:56:40 no one issssss Jul 02 17:56:46 yo Jul 02 17:56:47 idea Jul 02 17:56:47 we hate knothin and pao now Jul 02 17:56:49 except that one asshole Jul 02 17:56:58 We don't talk about that fucker though Jul 02 17:56:58 lets take subreddits private Jul 02 17:57:03 She probably doesn't even recognize my username,Ns my words don't mean much, but I was answering the question to the best of my ability. Jul 02 17:57:07 !mods television Jul 02 17:57:07 r/television has 11 mods: brtw, DasHuhn, hero0fwar, ManWithoutModem, Dorkside, atticus138, greatyellowshark, izzy, NicholasCajun, RaginApe, and AutoModerator Jul 02 17:57:11 everytime I see 'kk' I think of kripy kremes and now i want a donut Jul 02 17:57:11 What was that website that sorted subreddits by activity called? Jul 02 17:57:14 you kiddies here Jul 02 17:57:16 No one is mad at KK Jul 02 17:57:18 You really wanna watch reddit burn today, eh ManWithoutModem Jul 02 17:57:18 !mods showerthoughts Jul 02 17:57:18 r/showerthoughts has 23 mods: drumcowski, keyboardcowsnowboard, ManWithoutModem, stopscopiesme, IAmAN00bie, Dacvak, Hardcorish, tizorres, yeneewsc, 5loon, palmairal, IranianGenius, TeaDranks, ThePis7olStar, CottonCandyTacos, mkhorn, Lilgherkin, Druxe0, Meowing_Cows, WaitForItTheMongols, illQualmOnYourFace, Chiggiz, and suchsmartveryiq Jul 02 17:57:22 i didn't know we were pissed at krispykrackers Jul 02 17:57:22 private Jul 02 17:57:24 But she asked what the goal was. Jul 02 17:57:27 coloicito: http://redditmetrics.com/ Jul 02 17:57:30 thanks Jul 02 17:57:30 .mods ManWithoutModem Jul 02 17:57:31 (Meneth) r/ManWithoutModem mods: ManWithoutModem (4y) • kjoneslol (2y) • canipaybycheck (2y) • drumcowski (2y) • hero0fwar (2y) • spoderman_tim (2y) • cupcake1713 (2y) • jokes_on_you (1y) • kreius (1y) • soupyhands (1y) • Dacvak (1y) • AerateMark (1y) • Jaraxo (1y) • NotaMethAddict (1y) • atticus138 (1y) • EditingAndLayout (1y) • tuber (1y)... Jul 02 17:57:31 greatyellowshark (1y) • keepitcutthroat (263d) • pencer (32d) Jul 02 17:57:37 Lol Jul 02 17:57:41 Let's not spam the bot, eh? Jul 02 17:57:41 Damnit, that's not what I meant, gonzobot. Jul 02 17:57:52 Use a small channel for that? Jul 02 17:57:53 .submods Jul 02 17:57:55 lol modem you dumdum, get in touch with drumcowski. hes the only one who can make that decision Jul 02 17:58:05 i'd just do it Jul 02 17:58:07 yolo Jul 02 17:58:11 he wouldnt notice for a few days Jul 02 17:58:12 we arent kwiztas Jul 02 17:58:15 .__. Jul 02 17:58:28 not that one, TheAppleFreak, it was one that sorted by activity, not just for subscribers/subscribers growth Jul 02 17:58:32 i like krispy kreme donuts Jul 02 17:58:33 oh Jul 02 17:58:45 * tizorres secretly makes r/showerthoughts private Jul 02 17:58:46 coloicito, mod me to /r/adviceanimals Jul 02 17:58:50 no Jul 02 17:58:54 mod me Jul 02 17:58:54 to Jul 02 17:58:55 * x_minus_one makes nottheonion private Jul 02 17:58:56 r/ Jul 02 17:58:57 advice Jul 02 17:58:58 animals Jul 02 17:59:01 https://www.reddit.com/r/bestof/comments/3bx1m0/ukarmanaut_and_ukn0thing_show_why_riama_is/ Jul 02 17:59:01 (creesch) /u/karmanaut and /u/kn0thing show why /r/iama is private right now : bestof - 1 comment, 7 points - creesch, 38m ago Jul 02 17:59:03 I will literally text him if you make r/showerthoughts private Jul 02 17:59:13 oh btw krispykrackers you know there is a reddit user named krispykrackers1 Jul 02 17:59:13 I used to be able to scroll back 6 years on the search tabs in listentothis, now I get like a page or two of results tops... is that a RES thing or did they actually limit the results returned from search? Jul 02 17:59:16 like you'd even notice stops Jul 02 17:59:23 lel Jul 02 17:59:34 EvilNight, they limited it Jul 02 17:59:36 I know of krispykrackers1 Jul 02 17:59:42 F.M.L. Jul 02 17:59:43 we pass each other once in a while Jul 02 17:59:46 like two ships in the night Jul 02 17:59:46 ManWithoutModem: ah. I just checked back in and it looked like folks were :( Jul 02 17:59:59 folks were what Jul 02 18:00:15 mad at kk? Jul 02 18:00:22 new search is officially useless *compared to old search* - be careful, we're approaching quantum-level irony here and it could destroy the earth if it gets much worse Jul 02 18:00:26 No one's mad at kk. Jul 02 18:00:35 People are mad at the admins in the abstract. Jul 02 18:00:37 ^ Jul 02 18:00:39 one person asks if we are mad and now everyone things we are lol Jul 02 18:00:46 Can we add NO ONE IS MAD AT KK to the banner pls? Jul 02 18:00:47 I didn't think search could get worse. I really didn't. Jul 02 18:00:57 people don't even know who to be mad at, what good is rage if you canna focus it like lazers Jul 02 18:01:00 I like the new search :/ Jul 02 18:01:11 I like it's presentation... it's content is lacking Jul 02 18:01:15 They limited search? Jul 02 18:01:18 "It's bad. It's REAL bad." -Kevin Malone Jul 02 18:01:22 tizorres: The issue is it is now impossible to moderate via it. Jul 02 18:01:29 NO ONE IS MAD AT KK I JUST DON'T READ GOOD Jul 02 18:01:29 Apparently, some mods used it for that purpose. Jul 02 18:01:37 I like that it's making everyone so butthurt Jul 02 18:01:48 Can someone explain what's happening with search? I've been offline all day and need to catch up quick Jul 02 18:01:52 tizorres: *any* change makes everyone butthurt Jul 02 18:02:00 yes Jul 02 18:02:09 !op Jul 02 18:02:09 --- ButtServ gives channel operator status to noeatnosleep Jul 02 18:02:26 Yes blueshiftlabs, but changes that break our mod tools make us mad. =P Jul 02 18:02:30 I guess I will have to craft custom google searches for the listentothis editions, perhaps that'll work better Jul 02 18:02:45 they are already behind goo.gl links bc someone won't cough up more sidebar space... :P Jul 02 18:02:48 don't worry modtool will come back to search /eventually/... Jul 02 18:03:00 I need a beer /sigh Jul 02 18:03:15 Isn't there a flag you can add to restore the old search functionality? Jul 02 18:03:22 at least temporarily? Jul 02 18:03:33 --- noeatnosleep has changed the topic to: Welcome to #modtalk! Sub: modtalk.reddit.com | This channel is private, but do not consider it secure | Do not release logs. | Leak from modtalk, get removed from modtalk | RIP edify - http://redd.it/2xmhmk | NO ONE IS MAD AT KRIAPYKRACKERS Jul 02 18:03:36 I wonder if Voat has better search. Jul 02 18:03:43 !deop Jul 02 18:03:44 --- ButtServ removes channel operator status from noeatnosleep Jul 02 18:03:47 KRIAPYKRACKERS? Jul 02 18:03:55 speeling Jul 02 18:04:14 cry-appy Jul 02 18:04:15 noeatnosleep, please fix Jul 02 18:04:21 !op Jul 02 18:04:21 --- ButtServ gives channel operator status to noeatnosleep Jul 02 18:04:25 #AdminLivesMatter Jul 02 18:04:30 Well, there's definitely no one mad at kriapykrackers. Jul 02 18:04:30 what is gong on Jul 02 18:04:37 --- noeatnosleep has changed the topic to: Welcome to #modtalk! Sub: modtalk.reddit.com | This channel is private, but do not consider it secure | Do not release logs. | Leak from modtalk, get removed from modtalk | RIP edify - http://redd.it/2xmhmk | NO ONE IS MAD AT KRISPYKRACKERS Jul 02 18:04:38 drama Jul 02 18:04:40 !deop Jul 02 18:04:40 --- ButtServ removes channel operator status from noeatnosleep Jul 02 18:04:42 Sorry Jul 02 18:04:42 drama is going on Jul 02 18:04:54 I <3 krispykrackers. There. I said it. Jul 02 18:04:57 why would we be mad at the only admin that talks to us? Jul 02 18:05:02 no i mean what needs fixing Jul 02 18:05:05 lol ht ebanner ha ha Jul 02 18:05:13 You told me to Jul 02 18:05:14 how krispy do you like your krackers? Jul 02 18:05:26 everyone thought we were made at krispykrackers Jul 02 18:05:31 is kk part of the CMs? Jul 02 18:05:35 s/made/mad Jul 02 18:05:35 Correction, everyone thought we were mad at krispykrackers Jul 02 18:05:41 it's great Jul 02 18:05:48 Let's avoid too many name pings on her. Jul 02 18:05:54 Don't want to chase her off. Jul 02 18:06:00 agreed Jul 02 18:06:00 coloicito: Community Mangers? Jul 02 18:06:02 well she might be like you and have anything like her namne ping her Jul 02 18:06:04 yip Jul 02 18:06:13 so i guess pronouns it is Jul 02 18:06:15 I'm 99.2% sure, yes Jul 02 18:06:29 anywho - why does the search change break our tools? Which tools does it break? Jul 02 18:06:45 careful with those pronouns, kwiztas Jul 02 18:06:47 wow that was a lot of backlog Jul 02 18:06:54 anyone who was using it for filter-by-flair, for one Jul 02 18:06:54 I know now I'll never have any flair again and I've come to terms with that. Jul 02 18:07:04 lol Jul 02 18:07:08 gorillagnomes: you can't remove posts from new search Jul 02 18:07:20 which was helpful for removing reposts Jul 02 18:07:43 how long do you figure before HB rolls out a new RES that fixes some of the more glaring omissions? Jul 02 18:07:47 Gorillagnomes it murders a lot of sidebar filter links. Jul 02 18:07:49 honest question, how often do you mod from search? Jul 02 18:07:55 You can't remove posts from search as well. Jul 02 18:08:18 sorry guys, trying to be more responsive here but shit’s hitting the figurative fan, you know how that is Jul 02 18:08:31 nah, no big deal, they just spelled your name wrong Jul 02 18:08:43 >tfw cylon won't mod me to his heart so everyone pinged you Jul 02 18:08:51 tizorres: I wanted to say never, then I thought about it, all the time. Best way to find duplicates (if they aren't from the same domain). Jul 02 18:08:57 s/best way/only way Jul 02 18:08:57 Correction, tizorres: I wanted to say never, then I thought about it, all the time. only way to find duplicates (if they aren't from the same domain). Jul 02 18:09:14 how many duplicates are there normally? Jul 02 18:10:02 Lets host our AMA's in /r/ampart Jul 02 18:10:22 holy shit GodOfAtheism Jul 02 18:10:25 that's brilliant Jul 02 18:10:27 science recently made a bit that logs all posts and reports duplicates based on DOI, but that wouldn't work well for really any other sub. Jul 02 18:11:00 kerovon: how does the bot find the DOI from the link? Jul 02 18:11:39 krispykracker's how's reddit HQ at the moment? Jul 02 18:11:40 it checks both the link posted, and any links contained in it to see if there is a DOI present. Jul 02 18:11:53 *krispykrackers Jul 02 18:12:12 man im getting so fat from all the redditpopcorn these days Jul 02 18:12:17 kerovon: clever trick Jul 02 18:12:22 if probably gets about 70-80% of our posts. and if they don't have a direct link to the research, then if is most likely breaking out submission rules. Jul 02 18:12:31 Krispykrackers do you need me to set your username in the filter so people don't ping you incessantly? Jul 02 18:12:33 !op Jul 02 18:12:33 --- ButtServ gives channel operator status to noeatnosleep Jul 02 18:12:34 doomhammer was the mod who made it. Jul 02 18:12:40 nope I’m good Jul 02 18:12:41 guess DOIs are an obious enough format that you can scrape it easily enough Jul 02 18:12:45 K Jul 02 18:12:48 !deop Jul 02 18:12:48 --- ButtServ removes channel operator status from noeatnosleep Jul 02 18:12:50 s/obious/obvious/ Jul 02 18:12:50 Correction, guess DOIs are an obvious enough format that you can scrape it easily enough Jul 02 18:13:28 noeatnosleep: why do you toggle in and out of op like that? Jul 02 18:13:29 this is HQ right now for me http://i.imgur.com/y9SrAhz.png Jul 02 18:13:29 except for the journal Science. they routinely crew up their DOI formatting. Jul 02 18:13:48 Blueshiftlabs I only op if I am doing an op thing. Jul 02 18:13:51 lol kk Jul 02 18:14:09 makes sense - least-privilege sort of thing? Jul 02 18:14:43 Yeah. Why wear the badge when you don't need it? Jul 02 18:14:50 can't you do op commands without being op? Jul 02 18:15:02 sure, but only through Jul 02 18:15:07 No without using my admin privileges. Jul 02 18:15:15 Which I don't do unless I need to. Jul 02 18:15:24 ah Jul 02 18:15:27 Can't you do some things directly through anope? Jul 02 18:15:34 he is ircop Jul 02 18:15:39 he can do whatever he wants Jul 02 18:15:44 Sure, but the fantasy commands are a lot easier on mobile. Jul 02 18:15:47 I'm on my phone. Jul 02 18:16:06 cool cool Jul 02 18:16:11 ah, so *that's* what the docs meant by "fantasy commands" Jul 02 18:16:25 If I use a fantasy command here without being opped it uses admin override. And there is a log of those. Jul 02 18:16:35 So I don't use them unless I'm wearing my IRCop hat. Jul 02 18:18:21 I'm going afk. Phone is dying. So one ping me if I am needed. Jul 02 18:18:43 s/so one/someone Jul 02 18:18:43 Correction, I'm going afk. Phone is dying. someone ping me if I am needed. Jul 02 18:23:15 https://www.reddit.com/r/OutOfTheLoop/comments/3bw39q/why_has_riama_been_set_to_private/csqd0mf?context=3 Jul 02 18:25:21 Holy fuck Reddit's heads are embarrasing. Jul 02 18:25:32 any conspiracy mods that can hook me up with an rfid chip in my arm? Jul 02 18:26:00 you don't have the drivers for that chip Jul 02 18:26:01 man youre all gonna look pretty embarrassing when it turns out she was fired because shes actually a serial killer or something Jul 02 18:26:24 rofl Jul 02 18:26:30 wouldn't she be arrested? Jul 02 18:26:33 JustPassingThrough, For me it is not if the firing was legit or not.. IT is about communication.. Jul 02 18:26:39 ^ Jul 02 18:26:47 JustPassingThrough, Having one of the big pulls towards reddit, just swim for itself. Jul 02 18:26:58 As I understand their mods were told by someone who had an AMA planned. Jul 02 18:27:14 Not from Reddit, like "Hey guys, we had to let Victoria go, we will try and help you out in this transitional period" Jul 02 18:27:27 yep Jul 02 18:28:27 hun it was a joke Jul 02 18:28:32 this is bullshit everyone knows it Jul 02 18:28:42 The firing might be legit.. I don't know.. Jul 02 18:28:54 I just think how they handled, or rather didn't is what makes it embarrasing. Jul 02 18:29:03 krispykrackers: that comic is great. I'm sorry about your day. :( Jul 02 18:29:05 she probably did something way less bad like multinational-scale fraud or jaywalking Jul 02 18:29:34 JustPassingThrough it isn't that she was fired Jul 02 18:29:36 NENS has pooooowwwwwweeeerrrrrrssssss Jul 02 18:29:43 It's that no one was hooked up to be a replacement Jul 02 18:29:49 Or told the IAMA crew. Jul 02 18:29:52 Until after hours of screaming. Jul 02 18:29:54 Or the people who had AMA scheduled. Jul 02 18:30:18 There should have been a successor lined up before anything happened. Jul 02 18:30:38 You don't cut the lifeline of huge subs without a backup. Jul 02 18:30:45 Lol gorillagnomes Jul 02 18:30:50 the War of the Five Admins Jul 02 18:31:22 meh companies don't let go of employees suddenly for no good reason. Jul 02 18:31:45 But you don't let go of an important employee without making sure that person's area doesn't collapse. Jul 02 18:31:56 i agree, and i try very hard not to jump the anti-reddit circlejerk Jul 02 18:31:57 but Jul 02 18:32:04 PM companies don't *not replace* someone in a massive community facing role before they set someone IP to handle their tasks. Jul 02 18:32:06 if -any- company were to be the first to stupidly fire someone Jul 02 18:32:07 PM, could be monetary not an action of hers. Jul 02 18:32:09 it might be them Jul 02 18:32:26 Tylzen: prezactly. Jul 02 18:32:59 And if it is a sudden firing, you still make sure the whole system doesn't collapse. Jul 02 18:33:07 they do have something set up, according to kn0thing Jul 02 18:33:18 But having no backup plan, in case of sickness or anything for such a central person is just crazy. Jul 02 18:33:18 They do now. Jul 02 18:33:24 They didn't when they axed her. Jul 02 18:33:31 What is their backup now? Jul 02 18:33:39 knothing said there is a team Jul 02 18:33:44 Someone should have been tasked to do that before they axed her. Jul 02 18:33:57 Or just tell the IAMA people as the first thing. Jul 02 18:34:11 Especially when they know there are daily IAMAs Jul 02 18:34:13 they'd tell her Jul 02 18:34:46 if a system collapses because of one employee than that is a shit system that needs to collapse. also no one other than the admins and her know whats happen. for all we know it was serious enough that they didn't have time to make proper arrangements. Jul 02 18:35:18 You still should have a fail safe.. Like a fire plan. Jul 02 18:35:34 lol fire plan? Jul 02 18:35:44 Yeah, you have evacuation plans at work places. Jul 02 18:35:56 So if something happens suddenly, everyone knows what to do. Jul 02 18:36:12 yea no one does that Jul 02 18:36:30 Same with organisations and companies, if an important employee is unable to do their job, someone else can fill in temporarily, or the area can be "closed until fixed" Jul 02 18:36:42 Well the organisation I am on the board of does. Jul 02 18:36:43 they do Jul 02 18:36:50 emails to ama@reddit.com are going to be responded to Jul 02 18:37:01 look at knothing comments. Jul 02 18:37:17 Yes, but it is about how they handled the situation. Jul 02 18:37:20 It was amateurish. Jul 02 18:37:43 Even if it is sudden, they had no plan on how to handle AMA Jul 02 18:38:30 --- ButtServ gives channel operator status to MillenniumFalc0n Jul 02 18:38:40 --- MillenniumFalc0n sets invite on R:Makiavelzx Jul 02 18:38:42 --- MillenniumFalc0n removes channel operator status from MillenniumFalc0n Jul 02 18:39:16 look, you can't tell the IAmA mods about this without one of them leaking to chooter Jul 02 18:39:34 as it was, within 45 minutes, kn0thing was in /r/iamamods telling them what's up Jul 02 18:39:38 that's the chair of the company Jul 02 18:39:51 you can't exactly recruit for her position while she's still IN IT Jul 02 18:40:01 they were between a rock and a hard place here Jul 02 18:40:12 https://www.reddit.com/r/circlejerk/ Jul 02 18:40:13 hohoho Jul 02 18:40:25 GodOfAtheism: : ^ ) Jul 02 18:40:28 wonder what happened that they felt the need to fire her without any notice Jul 02 18:41:09 TITRC, You don't have to tell the mods the reason, just that she had been let go.. And it wasn't the admins who told the mods. Jul 02 18:41:14 MillenniumFalc0n, SRD should go private in solidarity! Jul 02 18:41:32 I'll take you private Jul 02 18:41:44 then we could all move to subredditdramadrama! Jul 02 18:41:53 yes, they did that within an hour of letting her go, Tylzen Jul 02 18:41:56 Yes please at CK and you Jul 02 18:42:03 kn0thing went to their sub and told them Jul 02 18:42:11 well they did that after karmanaut shut down the sub Jul 02 18:42:16 https://www.reddit.com/r/circlebroke/comments/3bwwb6/reddit_abruptly_fires_ama_liason_victoria_in_the/csqcnus?context=1 Jul 02 18:42:18 for what purpose Jul 02 18:42:20 so who knows if he was going to do that if that hadn't happened Jul 02 18:42:24 would you comment in CB as an admin Jul 02 18:42:25 :^( Jul 02 18:43:08 TITRC, Still too late, they should had been there before some random agent. Jul 02 18:44:16 so you're upset that 45 minutes passed between the firing and the chairman of the company personally informing them of the decision? Jul 02 18:44:18 that seems unreasonable Jul 02 18:44:35 movies is private Jul 02 18:44:36 wonderful Jul 02 18:44:55 yknow Jul 02 18:45:05 krispykrackers: you had to see that coming with kleinbl00 near the top Jul 02 18:45:09 i know going private is a thing to try and get the admins to respond Jul 02 18:45:10 but Jul 02 18:45:14 and girafa's post in modtalk Jul 02 18:45:21 the only people this annoys or bothers is the community management team Jul 02 18:45:28 ...who have nothing to do with Victoria's firing Jul 02 18:45:35 Seems like a lot of protest for a situation nobody seems to know much about Jul 02 18:45:36 yeah I don't know the point they're trying to make here Jul 02 18:45:38 TITRC, I am not upset, I am just surprised that they were slower than some random agent, trying to know what happened to his clients scheduled AMA Jul 02 18:45:43 like kn0thing literally does not give a shit about this Jul 02 18:45:45 its reddit Jul 02 18:45:49 it'll blow over in a week Jul 02 18:45:53 whats the list on defaults gone private now? Jul 02 18:45:55 What if she was upvoting herself in /r/circlejerk on multiple accounts, egregious Jul 02 18:46:00 CosmicKeys: banned Jul 02 18:46:02 It's a jolly good day for a bit of a ruckus Jul 02 18:46:16 lol movies..... I will seriously demod myself of any sub I mod that does that. Jul 02 18:46:28 bye felicia Jul 02 18:46:29 Why? Jul 02 18:46:54 "Three defaults go private after Admin gets fired for planing and executing a big heist." Jul 02 18:47:05 werner__herzog: wat Jul 02 18:47:05 I find all this completely silly. 45 minutes passed in a tiny bit of confusion, and this is the fallout. Jul 02 18:47:08 ridiculous Jul 02 18:47:12 That would be awesome if true werner Jul 02 18:47:19 It's not just about Victoria. It's about search, it's about mod tools, it's about admin support with doxxing, ban evasion, etc... Jul 02 18:47:38 then let's be grownups about it. Jul 02 18:47:44 The firing that broke the unpaid volunteer's back, if you will. Jul 02 18:48:00 "The heist ended in her jumping from one skyscraper to the next in one of the most expensive cars in the world." Jul 02 18:48:01 so just continue to complain in announcement/changelog/beta threads and be completely ignored? Jul 02 18:48:12 TITRC: I'm not saying this is the right way to go about things, but I"m certainly sympathetic Jul 02 18:48:15 Lol werner__herzog Jul 02 18:48:28 no one is being ignored here Jul 02 18:48:34 wat Jul 02 18:48:34 I can't even check if a user is submitting the same youtube channel through search any more Jul 02 18:48:37 TITRC, At least he admits that he did it too slowly https://www.reddit.com/r/SubredditDrama/comments/3bwgjf/riama_set_to_private_over_mod_firing/csqe9a6?context=3 Jul 02 18:48:53 and considering this the straw that broke the redditor's back? like, c'mon. Jul 02 18:49:00 guys, I don't wanna go to sleep, but I have to Jul 02 18:49:09 have fun you crazy Americans Jul 02 18:49:17 with your firings and your secrets Jul 02 18:49:28 https://www.reddit.com/r/beta/comments/37e40b/feedback_youtube_media_channel_info_no_longer/ Jul 02 18:49:28 (multi-mod) [Feedback] youtube media channel info no longer shown in search,... : beta - 4 comments, 71 points - multi-mod, 1m ago Jul 02 18:49:49 now I need to go through every submission by hand like I'm some reddit plebe Jul 02 18:50:10 what i'm really curious about is that this seemed to be a planned move? if they have a team ready and are planning something in the future for AMAs Jul 02 18:50:18 why remove victoria so suddenly and not let anyone know Jul 02 18:50:24 "team" Jul 02 18:50:29 ah right Jul 02 18:50:35 Was she "fired"? Jul 02 18:50:36 aka Jul 02 18:50:57 the search is horrible, and I would agree to a protest about that but the ama admin being fired? nah I worked in too many places, seem to many "good workers" fired to get behind that. Jul 02 18:51:13 Letting someone go is a touchy move for any company, I can see that they'd be focused on that side of it and not keeping IAMA running Jul 02 18:51:20 https://twitter.com/edfrenkel/status/616662322623459330 Jul 02 18:51:20 (Tylzen) @edfrenkel (Edward Frenkel): Details on the shutting down of @reddit_AMA in the middle of my AMA: https://t.co/bO3os0ZFmp All this sounds really bad and unprofessional. (5 hours and 12 minutes ago) Jul 02 18:51:50 supergauntlet: this was not sudden Jul 02 18:51:56 this shit doesn't just pop up Jul 02 18:52:03 they just couldn't tell us, for obvious reasons Jul 02 18:52:10 i mean if it wasn't do you think she got a 2 weeks notice Jul 02 18:52:21 with all these subs going private it's just going to be pics, funny, and aww on my front page Jul 02 18:52:23 i dont quite get why they didn't tell anyone Jul 02 18:52:31 I would call it sudden, when AMAs are shut down midsentence. Jul 02 18:52:34 It was a bullshit move by management TITRC Jul 02 18:52:34 TITRC: consider that, even if this was sudden, they may have had a bockup plan in place Jul 02 18:52:54 was their backup plan to have no backup plan? Jul 02 18:52:56 it’s interesting that you use the word “remove”. is this being seen as a super-helpful-power-mod being removed from a subreddit rather than a reddit employee bein glet go? Jul 02 18:52:58 supergauntlet: because you don't announce upcoming firings to a giant website? Jul 02 18:52:59 multi-mod, They are going to bring back adviceanimsl, to fill in for AMA :P Jul 02 18:53:01 for if Victoria got sick, or hit by a bus, or something like that Jul 02 18:53:10 TITRC: they didn't have to? Jul 02 18:53:27 they could have just told the mods 'hey theres some stuff going on with reddit-handled AMAs, just fyi' Jul 02 18:53:30 yishan explained why they fired that one guy Jul 02 18:53:40 multi-mod: which was a hilariously bad idea btw Jul 02 18:53:42 and that worked out well Jul 02 18:53:46 KK I would say people are thinking the former. Jul 02 18:53:47 multi-mod: yeah that was kind of a special case, and not a good idea Jul 02 18:53:53 supergauntlet: when? Jul 02 18:54:04 before? how would that help? Jul 02 18:54:08 just yishan being yishan Jul 02 18:54:08 after? they did that, within an hour Jul 02 18:54:21 TITRC, Kn0ting even admits he did it too slowly. Jul 02 18:54:24 even a few hours notice would have probably avoided this Jul 02 18:54:37 They had no backup in such a case, they had AMAs planned. Jul 02 18:54:47 sure, maybe the first thing he does is go straight to the computer and notify /r/iamamods Jul 02 18:54:51 As blueshiftlabs also points out, what if Victoria had been sick or in an accident. Jul 02 18:55:07 Yes. Jul 02 18:55:15 Considering how big IAMA is for the site. Jul 02 18:55:23 and "a few hours notice"? how classless would it be to tell the mods before they told her? and how do you keep them from leaking it to her? Jul 02 18:55:28 "Petition to call this drama "victoria's secret"" - lol Jul 02 18:55:28 leaking it to her would've been the worst thing Jul 02 18:55:33 it completely knocks out one of their main mobile apps Jul 02 18:55:35 TITRC, You can do both. Jul 02 18:55:41 already is CosmicKeys Jul 02 18:55:52 I am pretty sure they had a PC or smartphone within reach, when they let Victoria go. Jul 02 18:55:58 Neato ( ͡° ͜ ͡° ) Jul 02 18:56:03 they did it by carrier pigeon Jul 02 18:56:06 yes, it took 45 minutes. I'm sure Alexis is sorry. Jul 02 18:56:09 Oh yeah, their IAMA app Jul 02 18:56:09 i dunno what's done is done, I just don't get why the hell iama is private still Jul 02 18:56:17 that the iama mods had to wait 45 minutes Jul 02 18:56:25 TITRC, Yes, he admits he was too slow. Jul 02 18:56:35 OK, so all this over 45 minutes of radio silence Jul 02 18:56:38 silly Jul 02 18:56:40 supergauntlet, Because they have none to handle the IAMAs. Jul 02 18:56:51 didn't kn0thing say somewhere that they do now Jul 02 18:56:54 they found out thru a modmail from a scheduled iama not admins. Jul 02 18:56:59 supergauntlet, To handle the emails. Jul 02 18:57:05 supergauntlet, But none to fill in for Victoria. Jul 02 18:57:11 welp Jul 02 18:57:19 supergauntlet: As a moderator I reserve the absolute authority to hold my subscribers content hostage at any time, for any whim, as a god under only god Jul 02 18:57:24 xd Jul 02 18:57:25 how exactly would you pull that off? be recuiting FOR her job WHILE she's in it, Tylzen? Jul 02 18:57:37 TITRC, HAVE SOMEONE ELSE FILL IN. Jul 02 18:57:39 :) Jul 02 18:57:55 It might not be as good, but it is better than none. Jul 02 18:58:09 ummm… who? just pull another reddit employee off their normal job? and say "your job is now to deal with the AMA mods"? Jul 02 18:58:16 Yeah Jul 02 18:58:23 TITRC: it's called having a substitute Jul 02 18:58:29 I presume many of them are project orientated. Jul 02 18:58:46 Just like if someone are in an accident or become suddenly ill Jul 02 18:58:51 In /r/science, it was because even after the firing, we were not getting any response with substance after several hours of trying to get them. We are currently scrambling to rescue a massive AMA we were planning. Jul 02 18:58:53 anything mission-critical like this Jul 02 18:59:01 you *always* have at least two people on it Jul 02 18:59:07 What was /r/music's reasoning? Jul 02 18:59:17 it's called "bus factor" Jul 02 18:59:29 /r/music is private too? Jul 02 18:59:36 yesp Jul 02 18:59:37 r/movies too last I checked. Jul 02 18:59:49 not for me Jul 02 18:59:52 yeah, I'm sorry, I think this is still wildly overblown. as it is, you are still going to get your emails to ama@ answered. that you won't have someone to answer text messages is something that's livable until they find a replacement. Jul 02 18:59:56 music seems up still Jul 02 19:00:11 maybe victoria will go to voat /s Jul 02 19:00:12 wops, sorry Jul 02 19:00:17 I meant /r/movies, my bad Jul 02 19:00:27 TITRC, Yes, but not the IAMAS handled.. Jul 02 19:00:30 that brings it up to, what, 3 defaults total? Jul 02 19:00:38 4 ? Jul 02 19:00:46 3 defaults + circlejerk Jul 02 19:01:21 TITRC, The IAMA mods have already made it clear they need a person like Victoria to fill that role. Jul 02 19:01:23 if we get lol in on this we win Jul 02 19:01:24 xenoben lol Jul 02 19:01:24 You mean circlejerk isn't a default??? Jul 02 19:01:33 TITRC, Answering emails is not that. Jul 02 19:01:47 gosh, "need". see, that's the frustrating part. Jul 02 19:01:53 cj becoming a default would be ironic Jul 02 19:01:58 XenoBen, predict the outcome of this please Jul 02 19:01:59 Are the emails to AMA going to actually be answered? Jul 02 19:02:02 he is really on point Jul 02 19:02:38 TITRC, Why is that frustrating? Before her, the AMA quality was horrible, and not consisent. Jul 02 19:02:43 TITRC, Or would you rather discuss Rampant? Jul 02 19:03:00 Has anyone actually watched that movie? Jul 02 19:03:09 I'm not saying that she didn't do great work, I'm not saying that it was better before her, none of this Jul 02 19:03:31 but all this freakout over not being informed about this, and having to work around it for a few weeks? Jul 02 19:03:32 TITRC, But you don't think it was a critical position, considering the role of IAMA on Reddit. Jul 02 19:04:06 Deimorz, KK, and chooter were essentially the front facing reddit employees Jul 02 19:04:08 TITRC, The "freakout" for me, is that it showed that Reddit had no backup plan, or can handle a sudden firing of an employee Jul 02 19:04:28 here is the backup plan: email ama@reddit.com until they find a replacement. Jul 02 19:04:34 that has been made clear Jul 02 19:04:44 TITRC, That is not a backup plan, that is panic. Jul 02 19:04:50 no, it's not Jul 02 19:04:52 what? Jul 02 19:05:25 TITRC, Backup plan is having someone that can fill in, so the daily amas are not interrupted (someone who was a dedicated backup in case something happened) Jul 02 19:05:45 kwiztas: some story from admins that probably never happened Jul 02 19:05:50 they could have even redirected KK to do it Jul 02 19:05:50 and promises to move ob Jul 02 19:05:52 If ama@reddit.com was responsive, maybe. If they don't respond for over 3 hours to specific questions about the final stages of finalizing a major ama that we were trying to get locked in today, that is a problem. Going private got /r/science to start getting mroe responses. Jul 02 19:05:55 TITRC, A backup plan is something you have ready to deploy within minutes, not hours. Jul 02 19:06:01 3 hours isn’t very long Jul 02 19:06:11 3 hours is the life of an AMA Jul 02 19:06:20 you expect someone else on the (very small) reddit team to abandon their daily job role and concentrate solely on AMAs for an indeterminate amount of time? Jul 02 19:06:22 3 hours is long when the person is tweeting aobut it :D Jul 02 19:06:26 that is not reasonable Jul 02 19:06:26 https://twitter.com/edfrenkel/status/616662322623459330 Jul 02 19:06:26 (Tylzen) @edfrenkel (Edward Frenkel): Details on the shutting down of @reddit_AMA in the middle of my AMA: https://t.co/bO3os0ZFmp All this sounds really bad and unprofessional. (5 hours and 27 minutes ago) Jul 02 19:06:26 ahh I see Jul 02 19:06:29 XenoBen, predicated spacex crs-7 i trust in him Jul 02 19:06:33 rip /r/movies Jul 02 19:06:37 F Jul 02 19:06:57 TITRC, Yes, for a day or two, since IAMAS is a massive part of the publicity of Reddit. Jul 02 19:07:09 KK, I can tell you are sad from all the talking you are doing :( Jul 02 19:07:11 TITRC, That is how most organisations and companies work. Jul 02 19:07:18 They don't just let a whole section fall. Jul 02 19:07:19 That is on top of the time when we weren't getting any responses despite modmailing reddit.com, emailing reddit, asking Pao, asking kn0thing Jul 02 19:07:24 And tell people to email them. Jul 02 19:07:31 Then emailing the email address and getting no response Jul 02 19:07:33 you're really assigning a LOT of importance to this that I think is unwarranted Jul 02 19:07:36 TITRC, well, there was someone who was doing that, but they got fired Jul 02 19:07:38 as it is, it's going to be more than two days Jul 02 19:07:39 has victoria posted at all? Jul 02 19:07:41 is the point Jul 02 19:07:44 XenoBen, yeah in /r/pics Jul 02 19:07:51 what she say? Jul 02 19:07:51 the only response we got was"email us", until we shut down. Jul 02 19:07:54 Just stuff Jul 02 19:07:55 TITRC, It is important enough to have the president of the USA being on there. Jul 02 19:07:55 victoria has been chatting, seems fine with the whole thing Jul 02 19:08:04 IAMA is a big part of reddit, and most know about it. Jul 02 19:08:04 yeah, the president was also on marc maron last week Jul 02 19:08:11 I feel we are missing a big part of the story Jul 02 19:08:19 you're right XenoBen Jul 02 19:08:23 which is why I find this all silly Jul 02 19:08:23 Yes, the reasons behind this Jul 02 19:08:37 The reason behind it is not what I care about.. Jul 02 19:08:41 I care about how they handled it. Jul 02 19:08:50 allthefoxes: come on man, you can do *so* much better than Jack at that price point Jul 02 19:08:52 It all seems very sudden. Like spare of the moment. Jul 02 19:08:54 But TITRC doesn't consider IAMA one of the biggest parts of Reddit. Jul 02 19:09:02 of course that's exactly waht I said Jul 02 19:09:03 and if you're broke you can do fine for cheaper Jul 02 19:09:04 oh wait Jul 02 19:09:06 it's totally not Jul 02 19:09:07 XenoBen, Still you would have a "bus-factor" plan. Jul 02 19:09:10 TITRC, Victoria is gone, and people will have to deal with it its the lack of caring and communication that the staff have for us Jul 02 19:09:11 for instance, I'm drinking a $28 dollar handle of four roses yellow label Jul 02 19:09:30 that’s so unfair allthefoxes Jul 02 19:09:58 I'm sorry. but this is not the first terrible mess reddit has left. Jul 02 19:09:58 Tylzen: Doesnt look that good atm. Jul 02 19:09:59 allthefoxes - this isn't staff. This is management Jul 02 19:10:07 Yes, you are right joyouscacophony Jul 02 19:10:08 sorry Jul 02 19:10:13 “reddit” and “the admins” aren’t one entity Jul 02 19:10:17 just like “redditors” aren’t one person Jul 02 19:10:19 This is one of the greatest time for popcorn Jul 02 19:10:22 The admins doesn't hire and fire people. Jul 02 19:10:25 Lies krispykrackers Jul 02 19:10:31 We all know you are the borg Jul 02 19:10:32 dont lie Jul 02 19:10:33 There's only karmanaut Jul 02 19:10:33 But they didn't inform IAMA either. Jul 02 19:10:34 In time. Jul 02 19:11:11 how unprofessional would it be to tell a mod team that an employee was being let go, before letting that employee know? I don’t understand why anyone thinks that’s something we should have actually done? Jul 02 19:11:11 Do we know the reasons why btw? Jul 02 19:11:25 How about actually having a plan then Jul 02 19:11:28 when they do go Jul 02 19:11:46 krispykrackers: I guess it's letting everyone know before hand. Jul 02 19:11:46 rather than the iama mods having some random person tell them "Hey thyre gone" and let them figure it out for a few hours Jul 02 19:11:50 --- ButtServ gives channel operator status to MillenniumFalc0n Jul 02 19:12:01 --- MillenniumFalc0n sets invite on R:ivashkin Jul 02 19:12:07 does going private automatically disable your default status once you make it public again? Jul 02 19:12:10 tell… everyone before… tellign the person? I don’t understand? Jul 02 19:12:11 No Jul 02 19:12:14 --- MillenniumFalc0n removes channel operator status from MillenniumFalc0n Jul 02 19:12:23 only for iama team krispykrackers Jul 02 19:12:23 so many new people today Jul 02 19:12:28 krispykrackers, I cannot see how they couldn't have told them right after the point. Jul 02 19:12:39 As if Reddit doesn't have access to phones or PCs Jul 02 19:12:42 hello /r/europe mod here Jul 02 19:12:46 Hi Ivashkin Jul 02 19:12:48 krispykrackers : By that point, Victoria had to know didn't she? Otherwise how would that AMA participant have known about it? Jul 02 19:12:52 IAMA mods were told about it via some random agent in modmail. Jul 02 19:12:52 or tried to have *something* in place that wasnt just hashtag yolo Jul 02 19:12:52 Complemntary popcorn to the right Jul 02 19:12:56 krispykrackers: tell everyone including the person and handling that well especially if it's for public relations Jul 02 19:12:56 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V2f-MZ2HRHQ Jul 02 19:12:57 (Flashynuff) Cool Hand Luke - Failure to Communicate - length 10s - 301 likes, 8 dislikes (97.4%) - 186,435 views - technomage116 on 2010.04.15 Jul 02 19:12:58 krispy we can compromise here, just give me all the internal in-the-know on reddit hq and ill filter the proper stuff for the rest of these guys. 1 sec lemme get my notebook Jul 02 19:13:08 welcome, Ivashkin Jul 02 19:13:11 I just found out not 20 minutes ago, but I think this was really rushed and really fucked Iama Jul 02 19:13:15 I've gotta go Jul 02 19:13:15 Like I'm actually making popcorn tho Jul 02 19:13:18 like dey shud have atleast told about using ama@reddit.com atleast krispykrackers.. than just jumping it on them Jul 02 19:13:25 * Ivashkin quietly takes a seat in the corner Jul 02 19:13:39 Ivashkin, Hi. Jul 02 19:13:41 hey Ivashkin Jul 02 19:13:45 x_minus_one: well, salt or sugar? Jul 02 19:13:48 In general, I'm more salty about the general tone of reddit lately anyways, this is just another thing to put in the books. Jul 02 19:13:51 Ivashkin, I never been to Europe.. I heard it is a scary place. Jul 02 19:13:53 krispy is right, there's no way you would tell anyone below an employee's level being let go before they do Jul 02 19:14:01 CosmicKeys, no one needed to know before Jul 02 19:14:08 they should have had a plan though when it did happen Jul 02 19:14:09 Tylzen: come on... Jul 02 19:14:12 You don't have to tell them she is being fired.. Jul 02 19:14:14 I'm out of touch with US's laws. Can an employer simply tell someone "you're fired" and have him/her leave on the spot, without giving them a time notice or something? Jul 02 19:14:21 I wonder what she did that was so bad she didn't get notice Jul 02 19:14:21 coloicito, yes Jul 02 19:14:22 yes Jul 02 19:14:25 They could have been told "Hey something is up, we need to put IAMAS on hold" Jul 02 19:14:25 krispykrackers, reddit is full users young enough not have have work at a company. only reason I can see for people saying they should have known as soon as the employee. Jul 02 19:14:26 'murica sucks Jul 02 19:14:30 no one was asking reddit to do an announcement kk.. Jul 02 19:14:30 At-will I think Jul 02 19:14:37 hm Jul 02 19:14:38 There's just a ton of assumptions I suppose, nobody even knows why she was let go so maybe it was an emergency Jul 02 19:14:41 just a heads up to iama team Jul 02 19:14:46 hey krispykrackers, I just wanted to say that I really appreciate that you're taking the time to talk to us here. I think the biggest problem a lot of people have is a lack of mod-admin communication, and you being here makes things considerably better. So thank you! Jul 02 19:14:48 Or, at least that's one radical example Jul 02 19:14:50 im here for the iama gossip Jul 02 19:14:52 Wait, in this case which laws would apply? California's or New York's? Jul 02 19:14:55 I do too, I love you kk <3 Jul 02 19:15:04 How could a random agent tell the mods before the admins. Jul 02 19:15:06 KK you tha woman Jul 02 19:15:08 most of us are snarkypants Jul 02 19:15:15 snarkypants, <3 Jul 02 19:15:17 fill me in Jul 02 19:15:29 i just read the title and am too lazy to click further Jul 02 19:15:31 PM: The reason is, this is hurting your image more than anything, especially on a community driven website Jul 02 19:15:37 snarkypants, Random agent mailed the mods of IAMA about what was up, they find out that Victoria has been fired. Jul 02 19:15:41 snarkypants, shit went down, there was a trident, and now there is a war between man and machine Jul 02 19:15:47 People keep saying its about them knowing before victoria but thats not really whats up (its about ethics in game journalism), but having a plan for when Victoria is gone. Jul 02 19:15:49 snarkypants, IAMA goes private, Kn0t comes in and orientates. Jul 02 19:15:51 fuck me now /r/movies too Jul 02 19:15:52 fired? or just no longer working for the company Jul 02 19:15:52 All this IAMA drama is actually getting in the way of my normal irc shitposting, thank you very much Jul 02 19:15:54 * MillenniumFalc0n waves at snarkypants Jul 02 19:15:57 snarkypants, Movies, and Science are down too Jul 02 19:16:01 snarkypants, "laid off" Jul 02 19:16:02 snarkypants, Yup. Jul 02 19:16:02 this is starting to snowball people - are you sure you want to go this way Jul 02 19:16:13 "terminated" or "laid off" Jul 02 19:16:13 point of no return, this is it Jul 02 19:16:14 CosmicKeys: You are welcome =) Jul 02 19:16:18 fine Jul 02 19:16:22 let me shitpost something Jul 02 19:16:23 hmm Jul 02 19:16:26 I don't mind that they didn't warn us first honestly. I mind that they didn't appear to have any of their upper people ready to handle the issues until it blew up. /r/science is still waiting on getting answers to the questions we asked. Jul 02 19:16:28 because employment termination does not mean fired Jul 02 19:16:29 Oh, I know Jul 02 19:16:32 kebab++ Jul 02 19:16:35 snarkypants: unexpectedly let go Jul 02 19:16:35 it just means the person is no longer working there Jul 02 19:16:46 what if she got an awesome job somewhere Jul 02 19:16:52 maybe its a promotion Jul 02 19:16:58 snarkypants, nope, shes gone Jul 02 19:17:01 snarkypants, Reddit still had no backup. Jul 02 19:17:01 not working for reddit Jul 02 19:17:15 chooter for new ceo confirmed Jul 02 19:17:15 allthefoxes: K++15? Jul 02 19:17:16 well right, maybe she got a job managing social media for somebody else Jul 02 19:17:22 snarkypants, Like IAMA shut down, and the admins are like just mail ama@reddit.com Jul 02 19:17:29 like a presidential candidate or something Jul 02 19:17:29 seeing how she appears to be going to visit her husband's family, I doubt it Jul 02 19:17:32 3 hours after the fact Tylzen Jul 02 19:17:36 not right when it happened Jul 02 19:17:42 allthefoxes, That is fast enough for TITRC :P Jul 02 19:17:44 once it became a shit storm though, they started to do something Jul 02 19:17:52 considering that she's been posting, though, you'd think she'd at least be like "yo, it's cool, y'all" Jul 02 19:17:59 or... depop Jul 02 19:17:59 45 minutes. it took 45 minutes. Jul 02 19:17:59 she is fired. people are only let go this way for "a reason". what that reason is, fuck if I know. Jul 02 19:18:00 Because allthefoxes you cannot have people who do their daily job, do ANYTHING else :D Jul 02 19:18:02 as is usual for reddit : ^ ) Only ackowldge it when its blown up Jul 02 19:18:05 isn't depop hiring right now?/ Jul 02 19:18:05 guys i think we are missing someone. WHAT ABOUT THE BERNIE SANDERS AMAS??!?!?!?!?!!?!?!?!?!?!? Jul 02 19:18:20 XenoBen, He can do it in Casualiama. Jul 02 19:18:22 :D Jul 02 19:18:30 Together with the 10 other Bernie Sanders. Jul 02 19:18:50 lol Jul 02 19:19:19 Tylzen: well the wife would be happy then Jul 02 19:19:30 was there really a bernie AMA scheduled? Jul 02 19:19:31 Wodashit, Which one of them? There are 11 of them Jul 02 19:19:40 multi-mod, Who knows.. Jul 02 19:19:44 see, if bernie was president this never would have happened Jul 02 19:19:45 Any IAMA mods on here? Jul 02 19:19:52 this is amazing https://www.reddit.com/r/self/comments/3bvkf0/stop_throwing_beer_cans_on_my_lawn_while_im/ Jul 02 19:19:52 (x_minus_one) Stop throwing beer cans on my lawn while I'm trying to mow it. : self - 28 comments, 135 points - K_Lobstah, 8h ago Jul 02 19:19:57 most IAMA mods don't really idle here Jul 02 19:20:02 happyquid is gone to? Jul 02 19:20:09 https://www.reddit.com/r/circlebroke/comments/3bwwb6/reddit_abruptly_fires_ama_liason_victoria_in_the/csqe3q6?context=3 Jul 02 19:20:17 Tylzen: The latest one probably, admitting that's not at the same time Jul 02 19:20:19 First a podcast, now a different thing? Jul 02 19:20:33 I wonder what the fuck they will do with their IAMA app :D Jul 02 19:20:41 probably hire somebody else Jul 02 19:20:46 A new update - Open the app "Please email us at ama@reddit.com" Jul 02 19:20:55 Tylzen: Shove it Jul 02 19:21:08 snarkypants, It is just hillariously sad they didn't have some kind of substitute ready for emergencies. Jul 02 19:21:17 Wodashit, I don't have a shovel :( Jul 02 19:21:29 Do y'all think we'll ever get an explanation as to why Victoria left reddit/was kicked out of reddit? Jul 02 19:21:36 Actually it wasnt 45 minutes, it was around 2 hours Jul 02 19:21:36 no Jul 02 19:21:37 only if yishan comes back Jul 02 19:21:37 Tylzen: I meant their apps, wasn't fast enough, sry Jul 02 19:21:43 no and that's probably a good thing Jul 02 19:21:51 Tylzen, kn0thing is their backup Jul 02 19:21:57 He says he's covering in the mean time Jul 02 19:22:10 IAMA went private at 13:00 - ama@reddit.com was up at 15:15 Jul 02 19:22:13 teaearlgraycold, He did? All I have read from him is email ama@reddit.com Jul 02 19:22:16 so, 2 hours Jul 02 19:22:20 teaearlgraycold: Was not really effective Jul 02 19:22:33 Tylzen, that's what he said in a comment Jul 02 19:22:33 Wait they didn't have ama@reddit.com all the time? Jul 02 19:22:36 They just made it right now? Jul 02 19:22:37 r/history just went private Jul 02 19:22:44 I thought ama@reddit wasn't new Jul 02 19:22:50 Shit Jul 02 19:22:53 God that makes it even more hillarious Jul 02 19:22:54 creesch, like JUST now? Jul 02 19:22:55 oh makig the sub private is just something mods are doing Jul 02 19:22:59 Is history default? Jul 02 19:23:03 Yes Jul 02 19:23:11 so reddit admimns didnt make the sub a default, the mods are just making the private? Jul 02 19:23:39 I knew you and agentlame wouldn't let them slide :P Jul 02 19:23:41 lol history fucking /r/history Jul 02 19:23:53 .mods history Jul 02 19:23:53 (XenoBen) Sorry r/history is set to private and I cannot access it. Jul 02 19:23:56 oh yhea Jul 02 19:23:57 haha Jul 02 19:23:58 Do y'all think we'll ever get an explanation as to why Victoria left reddit/was kicked out of reddit? Jul 02 19:23:58 she lived in nyc Jul 02 19:24:10 doubt that's the reason Jul 02 19:24:11 I wonder what would happen if all defaults go private. Jul 02 19:24:13 Really? Oh - so this was a long time coming? Jul 02 19:24:25 But being in NYC is great for a person like herself Jul 02 19:24:26 r/history has gone private in protest of not being able to have historical figures do AMAs Jul 02 19:24:32 all of kn0thing posts are getting downvoted Jul 02 19:24:40 multi-mod, :P Jul 02 19:24:49 if the deafults go private, then a bunch of other subreddits will be on the front page instead Jul 02 19:24:51 XenoBen, I don't think he deserves that Jul 02 19:24:51 so what subs are closed now? Jul 02 19:24:52 .mods gaming Jul 02 19:24:52 (Nesquik) Sorry r/gaming is set to private and I cannot access it. Jul 02 19:24:59 woah. Jul 02 19:25:05 teaearlgraycold: his recent posts make it sound like a dick Jul 02 19:25:10 snarkypants, ELI5's not going private, neither will DiB Jul 02 19:25:15 snarkypants: that isn't how the frontpage works Jul 02 19:25:16 haha, I guess a lot of mods are getting home from work/school now Jul 02 19:25:22 i mean ALL Jul 02 19:25:24 psdtwk, that's how /r/all works Jul 02 19:25:25 not a users frot page Jul 02 19:25:27 gaming closed now? Jul 02 19:25:41 reddit.com/ is pleb tier Jul 02 19:25:57 there really wont be much of a noticeable impact for the average user that just scrolls around and doens't contribute Jul 02 19:26:04 isn't sporkside the head admins of /r/gaming? Jul 02 19:26:14 how did she/he allow that lol Jul 02 19:26:25 head mod Jul 02 19:26:27 hahaha Jul 02 19:26:29 not spork Jul 02 19:26:29 snarkypants, Traffic is the meat of reddit. Jul 02 19:26:31 devack Jul 02 19:26:34 Demorz(?) is the head mod there Jul 02 19:26:41 snarkypants, And without things to pull people to the site, or less things, means less traffic. Jul 02 19:26:41 demorz is head of games Jul 02 19:26:42 Deimorz IIRC Jul 02 19:26:47 !mods games Jul 02 19:26:47 r/games has 15 mods: tevoul, Pharnaces_II, fishingcat, foamed, Piemonkey, AutoModerator, nalixor, selib, Protocol_Fenrir, Blackadder18, creesch, SirkTheMonkey, Rubber_Duckie_, xSaiyan, and Sugioh Jul 02 19:26:51 lol how many subs went private? Jul 02 19:26:52 MAN THE CANNONS Jul 02 19:26:54 !mods gaming Jul 02 19:26:55 r/gaming doesn't exist or is private Jul 02 19:27:00 kek Jul 02 19:27:02 yo wat Jul 02 19:27:11 deimors is games, dacvak is gaming Jul 02 19:27:13 Cause it's private now, Foamed Jul 02 19:27:16 and dac no longer works for reddit Jul 02 19:27:18 r/gaming can't do AMA's! boo Jul 02 19:27:27 deimorz and dacvak are no longer part of r/games Jul 02 19:27:28 tizorres, our freedoms! Jul 02 19:27:33 They're not protected Jul 02 19:27:33 Im not sure what making the subs private is supposed to accomplish Jul 02 19:27:34 !mods history Jul 02 19:27:34 r/history doesn't exist or is private Jul 02 19:27:34 FREE DOOM Jul 02 19:27:37 ih deimors left r/games :( Jul 02 19:27:42 yep Jul 02 19:27:43 if its disruptive, I think mods are risking being removed Jul 02 19:27:51 oh shit Jul 02 19:27:53 I missed that Jul 02 19:27:58 I'm pretty sure we're going to have a /r/wow situation Jul 02 19:28:04 The admins will reinstate the subs Jul 02 19:28:14 what subreddits aren't private at this point Jul 02 19:28:14 Remove whoever set it to private (checking the logs) Jul 02 19:28:23 tbh kinda dumb to private them idk Jul 02 19:28:24 TheAppleFreak, ELI5 and DIB at least Jul 02 19:28:25 the reason she is no longer employed is confidential, and if they wanted people to know, they would write a blog about it Jul 02 19:28:26 Log in as the shared mod acount: problem solved Jul 02 19:28:26 Who are going ot mod them then? Jul 02 19:28:33 Is there going to be a bidding war ? :D Jul 02 19:28:39 A books mod wanted to go private Jul 02 19:28:39 and if she wanted everybody to know, she would have tweeted it to the world Jul 02 19:28:41 Or are the admins going to take over. Jul 02 19:28:43 !mods books Jul 02 19:28:43 r/books has 29 mods: illuminatedwax, DaedalusMinion, reetnz, pithyretort, boib, brigodon, themightiestduck, AutoModerator, thewretchedhole, IAmTheRedWizards, imakuram, Abe_lincolin, zomboi, euric, CycleModRecs, wemtastic, elquesogrande, ky1e, CandyMan77, jessajuhanabi, b93, vincoug, BubblezTron, BookAMA, KarlyPilkoids, qtx, Chtorrr, satanspanties, and celosia89 Jul 02 19:28:46 coloicito: the admins can pull IP logs Jul 02 19:28:47 teaearlgraycold: that would cause an outcry Jul 02 19:28:54 Use Tor Jul 02 19:28:54 but the mods own the sub and can choose what to do with it lolololol Jul 02 19:28:55 XenoBen, they've already done it before Jul 02 19:29:10 With no outcry - although it was "for the best" in that case Jul 02 19:29:31 teaearlgraycold: if they did it this time, I'm pretty sure there would be revolts Jul 02 19:29:42 Well too late on the revolt part Jul 02 19:29:58 !readers history Jul 02 19:29:58 r/history doesn't exist or is private Jul 02 19:30:06 rules: breaking reddit Jul 02 19:30:08 lel Jul 02 19:30:09 is Deimorz still and admin? he no doesn't mod /r/reddit.com, etc and other admin subs. Jul 02 19:30:19 He's an admin Jul 02 19:30:19 Oh... of course that wouldn't work. Jul 02 19:30:26 But he doesn't deal with the admin-mail shit Jul 02 19:30:32 lol agentlame Jul 02 19:30:34 Heh, agentlame :P Jul 02 19:30:37 he's on the team page Jul 02 19:30:40 5 defualts down Jul 02 19:30:43 https://www.reddit.com/about/team Jul 02 19:30:44 He's for sure an admin. Jul 02 19:30:45 He is an admin. You can look at https://www.reddit.com/user/deimorz and se the little red [A] by his name. Jul 02 19:30:46 PM: check userpage for [A] next to username in sidebar Jul 02 19:30:47 There's a lot of default though Jul 02 19:30:49 hes absolutely an admin Jul 02 19:30:54 AskReddit's the biggest default right? Jul 02 19:31:03 I think funny or pics is Jul 02 19:31:04 yes Jul 02 19:31:08 AR wins now Jul 02 19:31:09 beat funny Jul 02 19:31:14 oh, didn't even notice that Jul 02 19:31:14 andytuba, saw that thought it was RES. Jul 02 19:31:22 no, miamiz added it a few weeks ago Jul 02 19:31:25 Askreddit is 300k larger than science. Jul 02 19:31:26 RES doesn't bother tracking admins Jul 02 19:31:30 k cool Jul 02 19:31:31 if ar went private, that would be spectacular. Jul 02 19:31:33 karmanaught should go rouge and take down all of his subs Jul 02 19:31:46 how about magenta instead Jul 02 19:31:48 XenoBen, I'd go out to 7/11 and buy popcorn for the occasion Jul 02 19:31:50 askreddit has about 5k more than funny Jul 02 19:31:51 go plaid Jul 02 19:31:52 How you holding up krispykrackers? Jul 02 19:32:01 I think KK just gave up Jul 02 19:32:14 Heh, yeah. I'm sorry krispy. Not the best thursday Jul 02 19:32:18 just when the Pao stuff was cooling down, now this Jul 02 19:32:23 what subs are down atm then? Jul 02 19:32:28 has /r/gaming gone down? Jul 02 19:32:31 Yes Jul 02 19:32:32 yes Jul 02 19:32:33 multi-mod cooling down? funny way to put it Jul 02 19:32:34 now I'm tortured by /r/all being primarily /r/pics and /r/funny Jul 02 19:32:36 And history recently Jul 02 19:32:37 and history coloicito Jul 02 19:32:44 multi-mod, I have both filtered Jul 02 19:32:47 wow Jul 02 19:33:02 tizorres, you should take down CC for the lols Jul 02 19:33:06 I used to before SEO_killer, but now that SEO killer is dead I may filter some more subs again Jul 02 19:33:17 i don't like lauging Jul 02 19:33:28 SEO killer's dead ? Jul 02 19:33:33 yea Jul 02 19:33:36 Sorry to hear Jul 02 19:33:43 now r/all is just totally garbage instead of being pretty damn garbage Jul 02 19:34:02 IAMA history and gaming don't take up most of the top 25 Jul 02 19:34:04 !meme shitpost;all the subs Jul 02 19:34:04 haw have I never heard of SEO killer before? Jul 02 19:34:05 XenoBen: http://i.imgur.com/Pnloip9.jpg Jul 02 19:34:05 And gaming is garbage Jul 02 19:34:24 gg, blueshiftlabs. Jul 02 19:34:26 what was that website that listed subreddits by activity? Jul 02 19:34:27 You heard too late Jul 02 19:34:30 I'll miss SEO_Killer's weekly modmail spam Jul 02 19:34:52 I was thinking casualconversation would be the best to make private, it would set us up as a staple for jokes forever Jul 02 19:35:08 I want askreddit to go private now Jul 02 19:35:11 be like fireworks. Jul 02 19:35:25 science just gone down? Jul 02 19:35:32 been down Jul 02 19:35:33 science has been down Jul 02 19:35:35 ah ok Jul 02 19:35:37 science has been down Jul 02 19:35:37 just take away people's memes, that will get them fired up, by closing down adviceanimals Jul 02 19:35:37 we're up to 5 now Jul 02 19:35:40 jinx Jul 02 19:35:45 someone keep track Jul 02 19:35:52 tizorres, listen to Nesquik Jul 02 19:35:58 He knows what he's talking about Jul 02 19:35:58 iama, science, movies, history, and gaming Jul 02 19:36:04 movies? Jul 02 19:36:05 Shit Jul 02 19:36:14 and circlejerk Jul 02 19:36:14 !mods movies Jul 02 19:36:15 r/movies doesn't exist or is private Jul 02 19:36:23 TheAppleFreak, I dont' count CJ Jul 02 19:36:26 SRD post "casualconversation goes serious" Jul 02 19:36:33 Nesquik, :D Jul 02 19:36:35 doooo eeeeeeet Jul 02 19:36:36 Cj has been private for like weeks Jul 02 19:36:37 I think going private undefaults them automatically Jul 02 19:36:41 xD Jul 02 19:36:48 tizorres, come on - just for like 30 minutes Jul 02 19:36:49 tizorres: look at the private message Jul 02 19:36:52 tizorres the message change Jul 02 19:36:53 dd Jul 02 19:36:55 boo Jul 02 19:36:58 i know Jul 02 19:37:08 What message Jul 02 19:37:37 https://www.reddit.com/r/circlejerk/comments/3bx1uz/a_message_from_the_moderators_of_rcirclejerk/ Jul 02 19:37:54 oh ya u cant read dat xD Jul 02 19:37:56 lol Jul 02 19:38:01 pls tizorres Jul 02 19:38:03 lol Jul 02 19:38:06 screenshot? Jul 02 19:38:09 I should have known Jul 02 19:38:13 off topic, but omg I'm dying https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2f_kavukuKI Jul 02 19:38:13 (x_plus_popcorn) Kids Read Mean Tweets - length 1m 13s - 17,610 likes, 1,090 dislikes (94.2%) - 3,568,484 views - Canadian Safe School Network on 2015.03.11 Jul 02 19:38:44 you know what Jul 02 19:38:47 lets talk about something happier Jul 02 19:38:54 it's litreally the message from mods thing on the private page Jul 02 19:38:55 for instance, im just a few karma away from being in CC Jul 02 19:39:02 art just went as well Jul 02 19:39:04 inb4 cc private Jul 02 19:39:04 tizorres, pls.. private for 30 minutes Jul 02 19:40:00 i will for 1 million dollars Jul 02 19:40:02 https://youtu.be/cKKHSAE1gIs?t=15s Jul 02 19:40:02 (tizorres) Dr Evil in 1 million Dollars - length 1m 58s - 3,784 likes, 101 dislikes (97.4%) - 1,257,067 views - Pierre Pavia on 2008.07.11 Jul 02 19:40:09 allthefoxes, what? Jul 02 19:40:13 !karma allthefoxes Jul 02 19:40:13 allthefoxes has 48,022 link karma and 99,487 comment karma. Jul 02 19:40:16 karma requirements for CC? Jul 02 19:40:20 almost 100k comment karma ^_^ Jul 02 19:40:25 /r/art is private Jul 02 19:40:25 "the decline of reddit throughout Yishan and subsequently Chairman Poa's regime" Jul 02 19:40:25 --- ButtServ gives channel operator status to MillenniumFalc0n Jul 02 19:40:27 Oh Jul 02 19:40:32 --- MillenniumFalc0n sets invite on R:SlyRatchet Jul 02 19:40:33 Yeah Jul 02 19:40:35 when real life becomes parody Jul 02 19:40:46 --- MillenniumFalc0n removes channel operator status from MillenniumFalc0n Jul 02 19:40:49 eh's talking about century club Jul 02 19:40:59 Chaiman Poa's reign has never been favorable Jul 02 19:41:19 They should get Steve Wozniak instead Jul 02 19:41:24 is Reddit public or private company? Jul 02 19:41:31 private Jul 02 19:41:36 They were public at one point, right? Jul 02 19:41:41 Or were there just rumors Jul 02 19:41:53 Only public if in stocks isnt it? Jul 02 19:41:59 So who owns i? Jul 02 19:42:01 Hey MillenniumFalc0n, can you invite INeedAnswers123 and feedthecollapse? They're both /r/listentothis mods who aren't in here yet Jul 02 19:42:06 Yhea its private Jul 02 19:42:24 As of August 2012, Reddit operates as an independent entity, although Advance is still its largest shareholder Jul 02 19:42:31 Advance Publications Jul 02 19:42:55 Flashynuff: have them send me pms on reddit to confirm their identities Jul 02 19:43:05 XenoBen, the baord of reddit is Ellen, Alexis, and a dude from AP Jul 02 19:43:15 sure. Are you able to invite them to #defaultmods while you're at it Jul 02 19:43:54 Flashynuff: isn't there a process for that? Jul 02 19:44:04 oh i guess MF can be the process Jul 02 19:44:11 They have a 3 people board? Jul 02 19:44:23 yes Jul 02 19:44:27 can we start sending questions to ama@reddit.com? lol Jul 02 19:44:29 That gave me tics. Jul 02 19:44:30 unless its changed in the last couple years Jul 02 19:44:34 lol Jul 02 19:44:44 Can we really ask reddit anything? Jul 02 19:44:53 They just created that email Jul 02 19:45:01 Hah, I would love to peek at the mails it will get. Jul 02 19:45:12 andytuba: we don't have a process for #modtalk, if you fit the subscriber count requirement you're in Jul 02 19:45:18 ooooohhh, I'm excited. I'm going to ask what color shirt I should wear tomorrow. Jul 02 19:45:24 or at least that's how we've run the chan as long as I can remember Jul 02 19:45:25 wow with all the subs going down Jul 02 19:45:33 now getting into the subreddit is another question Jul 02 19:45:35 TIFU IS STAYING OPEN SO PLS COME POST UR FUCKUPS Jul 02 19:45:36 The frontpage is going to be interesting for new users. Jul 02 19:45:38 https://www.reddit.com/r/askreddit Jul 02 19:45:40 JAJAJAJAJA Jul 02 19:45:43 NO WAY Jul 02 19:45:48 Flashynuff: re: #defaultmods yes Jul 02 19:45:50 WHATTTTTTT Jul 02 19:45:51 oh my god Jul 02 19:45:52 I guess karmanaut is pissed Jul 02 19:45:54 !readers askreddit Jul 02 19:45:55 r/askreddit doesn't exist or is private Jul 02 19:45:57 ALL ABOARD Jul 02 19:46:00 wooooo Jul 02 19:46:00 BUTTER OVERLOAD Jul 02 19:46:02 oh my god Jul 02 19:46:04 Hahaha Jul 02 19:46:05 guys i'm actually making popcorn Jul 02 19:46:06 Oh my god. Jul 02 19:46:07 rya, we have only had 24 posts in TIFU since the whole thing started lol Jul 02 19:46:18 * x_plus_popcorn intensifies Jul 02 19:46:21 rya: get kn0thing to post in TIFU Jul 02 19:46:22 not even a single "TIFU by firing victoria" troll post Jul 02 19:46:26 haha Jul 02 19:46:32 yea right? Jul 02 19:46:39 i need popcorn Jul 02 19:46:39 TIFU? Jul 02 19:46:40 gentlemen, we are heading into dangerous territory where /r/all will be dominated by /r/funny and /r/adviceanimals Jul 02 19:46:41 hehe Jul 02 19:46:42 someone give me popcorn Jul 02 19:46:50 meh I hope lots of users get demodded Jul 02 19:46:53 tifu is going to stay alive to welcome all the fuckups of today Jul 02 19:46:55 askreddit is private boo Jul 02 19:47:12 This feels like the part of Jimmy Neutron where all the parents are gone. Jul 02 19:47:17 tifu by firing /u/chooter, AMA Jul 02 19:47:21 hehe Jul 02 19:47:24 fucking hell Jul 02 19:47:31 This is hillarious Jul 02 19:47:33 --- ButtServ gives channel operator status to MillenniumFalc0n Jul 02 19:47:43 y'all suck. i'm moving my subs to voat. Jul 02 19:47:48 --- MillenniumFalc0n sets invite on R:ineedanswers123 Jul 02 19:47:48 hah Jul 02 19:47:51 lol Jul 02 19:47:55 Locutus, Be careful, you might overload their servers. Jul 02 19:47:57 stop going private guys, our modqueue is crazy Jul 02 19:47:58 --- MillenniumFalc0n sets invite on R:feedthecollapse Jul 02 19:48:04 --- MillenniumFalc0n removes channel operator status from MillenniumFalc0n Jul 02 19:48:05 bets on next sub guys Jul 02 19:48:10 im feeling pics or funny Jul 02 19:48:12 AA Jul 02 19:48:13 I am glad that ADHD and Parenting doesn't get hit by this :D Jul 02 19:48:16 pics isnt unless funny does Jul 02 19:48:17 AA Jul 02 19:48:18 also look at all these drama lamas joining for the drama Jul 02 19:48:20 huh Jul 02 19:48:26 aa? Jul 02 19:48:31 adivce animals Jul 02 19:48:32 SRC. Jul 02 19:48:32 Advice Animals. Jul 02 19:48:33 holy shit askreddit Jul 02 19:48:34 when did art go private Jul 02 19:48:38 wow Jul 02 19:48:40 MillenniumFalc0n, 20 min aho Jul 02 19:48:41 MillenniumFalc0n, 25 min or so ago Jul 02 19:48:47 MillenniumFalc0n jfc askreddit tho Jul 02 19:48:47 they used "chairman pao" in the message Jul 02 19:48:53 yeah Jul 02 19:48:55 whats the count on now? Jul 02 19:48:56 solidwhetstone is mad Jul 02 19:48:56 7? Jul 02 19:48:59 7 subreddits Jul 02 19:49:02 noooooo not crappydesign Jul 02 19:49:04 wait what the fuck Jul 02 19:49:05 askreddit Jul 02 19:49:12 but krispy is top mod Jul 02 19:49:13 !mods askreddit Jul 02 19:49:13 r/askreddit doesn't exist or is private Jul 02 19:49:29 oh my Jul 02 19:49:30 Jesus bloody Christ Jul 02 19:49:33 Askreddit private aswell Jul 02 19:49:35 history, too Jul 02 19:49:38 SlyRatchet: close europe Jul 02 19:49:40 https://www.reddit.com/r/IdeasForAskreddit/comments/3bxj7n/megathread_subreddit_shutdown/ Jul 02 19:49:40 (allthefoxes) [Megathread] Subreddit shutdown : IdeasForAskreddit - 32 comments, 2 points - DERPYBASTARD, 2m ago Jul 02 19:49:53 Closing Europe would be a bit much Jul 02 19:49:54 As long as my favorite ball-shaped subreddit doesn't go down, I'm fine Jul 02 19:49:59 A few people live there Jul 02 19:50:04 We're considering it XenoBen. Jul 02 19:50:13 do it for the hell of it Jul 02 19:50:16 close ukpol too Jul 02 19:50:18 hey Jul 02 19:50:24 https://www.reddit.com/r/BlameRya/comments/3bxjja/everything_on_reddit_is_becoming_private/ Jul 02 19:50:24 (Nesquik) Everything on reddit is becoming private : BlameRya - 0 comments, 1 point - Quick_man, 42s ago Jul 02 19:50:25 close 'murica Jul 02 19:50:27 r/listentothis is considering joining in aswell Jul 02 19:50:34 im gonna go afk and draft a post in case we want to make a thread about this Jul 02 19:50:38 well good luck everybody Jul 02 19:50:39 can you ping me when updates happen? Jul 02 19:50:41 Do you have to open ukpol again afterwards? Jul 02 19:50:44 Locutus ASkreddit with however many million is fine, but /r/europe is more important? :P Jul 02 19:50:48 My cat just made a backflip Jul 02 19:50:51 brb pursuting the /r/videos mods to go private Kappa Jul 02 19:50:54 maybe reddit will start to staff that moderate Jul 02 19:51:02 pursuating* Jul 02 19:51:10 i mean start employeeing staff to moderate Jul 02 19:51:14 SlyRatchet: I actually use /r/Europe! Where else will I get my fix of people howling at Greece for the day? ;_; Jul 02 19:51:17 however you would spell that Jul 02 19:51:24 employing Jul 02 19:51:24 I do worry that that might actually happen. Jul 02 19:51:26 JustPassingThrough, thread about what? Jul 02 19:51:30 touché Jul 02 19:51:40 thread about the private subs instead of going private ourselves Jul 02 19:51:44 xlnqeniuz : why did you leave the /r/videos mod team Jul 02 19:51:47 Perhaps we might see admins installed in control of default subs as a precondition of their going default. Jul 02 19:51:49 !mods art Jul 02 19:51:49 r/art doesn't exist or is private Jul 02 19:51:54 ugggh Jul 02 19:52:02 coz I wasnt that fun for me anymore Jul 02 19:52:06 Locutus have you made BritPol private? Jul 02 19:52:07 yo maki let's make /r/LoL private Jul 02 19:52:16 So what are we at right now? art, crappydesign, history, science, iama, gaming, askreddit Jul 02 19:52:20 Am I missing any? Jul 02 19:52:20 xlnqeniuz : picflute would get pissed off Jul 02 19:52:25 crappyesign? lol Jul 02 19:52:25 boo stop going private boo Jul 02 19:52:28 circlejerk Jul 02 19:52:29 SlyRatchet: I'm considering making /r/TrueBritishPolitics private. Far more important. Jul 02 19:52:38 he's already pissed off at all the defaults going hidden, do you know how pissed off he'd be about /r/LoL? oh man Jul 02 19:52:43 movies Jul 02 19:52:54 close LoL Jul 02 19:52:58 for extra amazingness Jul 02 19:53:02 No Jul 02 19:53:04 We' Jul 02 19:53:05 If that happened I would laugh. Jul 02 19:53:06 ugh my internet Jul 02 19:53:10 Not making lol private -_- Jul 02 19:53:15 pls Jul 02 19:53:16 picflute, Not even for a hug? Jul 02 19:53:16 picflute : you don't decide for me Jul 02 19:53:22 who cares about picflute anyway Jul 02 19:53:26 he's just a picflute Jul 02 19:53:27 :^) Jul 02 19:53:32 :| Jul 02 19:53:33 xlnqeniuz : arent you higher mod than him, just threaten him Jul 02 19:53:40 I will bend you all and fuck you hard like Riot did to Chris Badawi Jul 02 19:53:42 imagine if everyone goes private Jul 02 19:53:46 ROFL Jul 02 19:53:49 reddit is kill Jul 02 19:53:51 Bur what if I like that ;) Jul 02 19:53:52 * XenoBen bends over Jul 02 19:53:53 take me Jul 02 19:53:57 :| Jul 02 19:54:02 ummm Jul 02 19:54:03 no Jul 02 19:54:03 :') Jul 02 19:54:04 Literally this is the stupidest shit i've seen Jul 02 19:54:09 I mean Jul 02 19:54:13 we dunno their reasoning Jul 02 19:54:21 Why not use your subreddits to get the people who are in charge of these decisions fired? Jul 02 19:54:23 but it seems like a bandwagon that everyone is jumping in on Jul 02 19:54:24 over reaction much Jul 02 19:54:41 i want to go to bed Jul 02 19:54:45 but this is too juicy Jul 02 19:54:47 It's something that needs to be done, there are people who make key decisions on reddit who aren't in touch with their community Jul 02 19:54:48 I think it's more that there are many many issues with Reddit from a mods POV and this is the straw that broke the camels back Jul 02 19:55:02 Those people should be held accountable and terminated immediately Jul 02 19:55:23 But explain to me how the hell is making /r/gaming private going to help out Jul 02 19:55:31 never mind that Jul 02 19:55:33 askreddit Jul 02 19:55:34 like why Jul 02 19:55:38 .yt rgaming Jul 02 19:55:38 (XenoBen) r/gaming [KawaiiPiranha Cartoons] - length 40s - 28,432 likes, 1,002 dislikes (96.6%) - 2,070,750 views - KawaiiPiranha on 2012.06.20 - http://youtu.be/KRKP3VbI41M Jul 02 19:55:42 What ivashkin said. I don't really care that this specifically worker is gone, but I'm pissed at a bunch of other admin related things because they don't give us any support Jul 02 19:55:44 In terms of what we get out of this, I really do hope some serious, *useful* mod tools beyond just the modqueue and eldritch horror of modmail emerge Jul 02 19:55:47 video is relavent Jul 02 19:55:56 r/askreddit is owned by KK surprised she didn't say wtf you idiots Jul 02 19:55:59 !mods askreddit Jul 02 19:56:00 r/askreddit doesn't exist or is private Jul 02 19:56:02 oh right Jul 02 19:56:04 A fix for modmail would be such a relief. Jul 02 19:56:05 thanks redditbot Jul 02 19:56:09 /s Jul 02 19:56:16 picflute, it makes Reddit Inc aware that without users and mods they are people who own an expensive server farm and little else Jul 02 19:56:21 That's it. I made /r/x_minus_one private. Jul 02 19:56:25 Is there any sort of charter of demands/requests that is floating around? Jul 02 19:56:27 GASP Jul 02 19:56:45 SlyRatchet, not really. just a request of "stop being silent non communicating jerks :( Jul 02 19:56:45 I do not support this request. Jul 02 19:56:49 Does reddit even own the servers? ;) Jul 02 19:56:56 no Jul 02 19:56:59 they use AWS Jul 02 19:57:05 "Demands" might be a bit much - but requests, definitely, if anyone wants to pull something together Jul 02 19:57:17 isnt krispykrackers the top mod of askreddit ? Jul 02 19:57:20 yup Jul 02 19:57:21 yes she is Jul 02 19:57:23 how did she allow dat haha Jul 02 19:57:26 haha, so if all of the moderators black out, they're literally just an office with some people in it. Jul 02 19:57:26 So it's interesting whether or not she noticed yet Jul 02 19:57:27 I’m not getting into a mod battle with my team Jul 02 19:57:32 stop pinging kk :( Jul 02 19:57:33 this looks unilateral though Jul 02 19:57:37 its a rough day Jul 02 19:57:38 LOL Jul 02 19:57:44 aw Jul 02 19:57:45 haha Jul 02 19:57:51 I mean, everyone can bet it was karmanaut Jul 02 19:58:05 i doubt it Jul 02 19:58:07 Can we take bets? Jul 02 19:58:25 a turn of phrase, not a statement of fact. the truth is that reddit is heavily dependent on users who moderate, and they treat us like shit in a lot of cases. I spent a year trying to get help with 4chan bridgading and heard nothing from the admins Jul 02 19:58:25 picflute, how many Bitcoins Jul 02 19:58:35 !mods outoftheloop Jul 02 19:58:35 r/outoftheloop has 25 mods: MrWittyResponse, AdvocateForLucifer, T_Dumbsford, tara1, Rountree1, livefreeordont, ManWithoutModem, K_Lobstah, vxx, Kijafa, Diptura, pyrowolf8, I_Miss_Claire, splattypus, Werner__Herzog, ZMush, PanicOnFunkotron, TortoiseSex, RicoVig, DERPYBASTARD, cupcake1713, OBLIVIATER, cat_sweaterz, loyalcynic, and Gilgamesh- Jul 02 19:58:36 i bet 2 cupcakes its redtaboo's fault Jul 02 19:58:41 I'll place a bet on Karmanaut using his influence on reddit to have the other defaults follo through Jul 02 19:58:43 .mods askreddit Jul 02 19:58:44 (kwiztas) Sorry r/askreddit is set to private and I cannot access it. Jul 02 19:59:24 breaking Jul 02 19:59:27 voat.co is down Jul 02 19:59:29 LMFAO Jul 02 19:59:30 Picflute: As far as I am aware, karmanaut did not enter into any communication with the mods of /r/science Jul 02 19:59:30 news? Jul 02 19:59:30 we won't go private on OOTL, we're just taking in all the subscribers looking for a new place :D Jul 02 19:59:32 HAHAHA Jul 02 19:59:37 Locutus, isn't it always down? Jul 02 19:59:38 LOL needs to go private where is buckeyesundae Jul 02 19:59:42 Aw, it's back up again. That was brief. Jul 02 19:59:42 No Jul 02 19:59:55 r/Science mods were publicabout their decision Jul 02 19:59:58 wait Jul 02 20:00:02 yeah Jul 02 20:00:07 no Jul 02 20:00:10 i'm reading old convo Jul 02 20:00:10 Locutus, They cannot handle the load.. Stop telling people to go to VOAT, those poor servers :D Jul 02 20:00:17 And stated that because of this action it fucked up their internal projects Jul 02 20:00:28 Somehow those internal projects require the whole subredit being shut down. Jul 02 20:00:32 /r/listentothis has closed submissions Jul 02 20:00:56 Ivashkin: I wonder what could actually be done to help in that respect? Hiring more community managers? Allowing mods access to some level of referral URLs? Jul 02 20:01:03 closed submissions? that's jsut going to confuse people Jul 02 20:01:14 why does /r/upvoted contain Nigerian prince spam? Jul 02 20:01:29 We need to make this more significant, shut down /r/gonewild Jul 02 20:01:36 But he doesn't deal with the admin-mail shityeah he does Jul 02 20:01:49 i hope r/gonewild doesnt go private Jul 02 20:01:50 ManWithoutModem, well then Jul 02 20:01:51 no picflute, don't do that Jul 02 20:01:53 picflute: it was because for about 5 hours, we were getting told "Its okay. Everything is fine, jsut email us", not getting responses to the email, and even after they started responding (once we went private), they still have ducked all of the questions we had. Jul 02 20:02:00 I'd love for more analytics on wiki pages Jul 02 20:02:09 Like traffic stats that we get for subreddits Jul 02 20:02:14 that OOTL person is going to get themselves auto shadow banned if they start mass mailing subreddits Jul 02 20:02:14 Locutus, ideally yes, they need community admins. a layer between the admins and the mods Jul 02 20:02:26 Can we shut down r/lounge? :D Jul 02 20:02:26 OOTL? Jul 02 20:02:38 out of the loop Jul 02 20:02:43 Did you really expect responses on Day 0? Jul 02 20:02:48 They're modmailing? Jul 02 20:02:51 What exactly Jul 02 20:02:56 whats the full list of closed subs? Jul 02 20:03:02 Like fromwhat information was said about the incident do you really think it's going to work on the opening day Jul 02 20:03:12 XenoBen, http://pastebin.com/Eh9NqHf1 Jul 02 20:03:15 picflute, They didn't have any emergency plan.. Jul 02 20:03:15 just https://www.reddit.com/r/OutOfTheLoop/comments/3bw39q/why_has_riama_been_set_to_private/csqg7om Jul 02 20:03:16 (multi-mod) Why has R/Iama been set to private? : OutOfTheLoop - 1,999 comments, 5,571 points - chickenmagic, 7h ago Jul 02 20:03:20 SRD should go private Jul 02 20:03:22 XenoBen: https://voat.co/v/MeanwhileOnReddit is keeping a running total. You can almost see them bouncing up and down with glee. Jul 02 20:03:22 XenoBen, and CJ too if you coutn that Jul 02 20:03:24 when it's accessible Jul 02 20:03:26 picflute, Imagine if she had been in an accident instead.. They had no backup Jul 02 20:03:43 I just got a modmail from him, but I think you can get auto shadow banned if you send out too many identical modmails Jul 02 20:03:46 Yea no shit but what exactly did you really expect to get out on day 0 of this change. Jul 02 20:04:13 Being realistic, it's going to take several days to get anything out of the reddit admins. Jul 02 20:04:23 So why is this such shocking news? Jul 02 20:04:23 picflute, No, but at least some compentent plan.. Not creating an email hours after to handle the sudden panic. Jul 02 20:04:37 We'll probably hear a proper response within a day. Jul 02 20:04:45 I would expect them to respond to questions. Even when the question was "Can you give us the contact of the person so we can finish finalizing the AMA", the response was basically "No, stay out of it. Trust us." Jul 02 20:04:48 At the very least, "we're working on something" Jul 02 20:04:48 It took me almost 24 hours to get back from an admin to verify that I was doxxed by a user. Jul 02 20:04:49 .>tfw studying for the bar all day, come back to reddit, and everything is exploding Jul 02 20:04:53 I think it'll be some sort of vague, statement Jul 02 20:05:12 Do you seriously think that they'd be ready to respond to everything day 0? Jul 02 20:05:24 "Every Man is Responsible for his own Soul" Jul 02 20:05:25 picflute, Yeah, but this is about one of the largest subreddits, that generates a lot of traffic for reddit, one would have thought they had some plan, if their employee would suddenly stop being there. Jul 02 20:05:26 yeah. I know when we removed two moderators from the /r/europe team due to public pressure it took literally days of constant pressure on the mod team, (in addition to years of complaining before that point) Jul 02 20:05:58 SlyRatchet: what happened with the recent problems Jul 02 20:06:00 OK, but you're ignoring past behavior and are assuming that everyone was aware of this change when that clearly wasn't the case. Jul 02 20:06:00 with the french dude Jul 02 20:06:26 picflute, Sure, but still doesn't change the fact that Reddit from the top, made a clusterfuck out of this. Jul 02 20:07:07 picflute, If your organisation cannot handle the sudden disappearing of an employee, being that the person was let go, in an accident or suddenly ill.. Is just bad management and planning. Jul 02 20:07:18 Xenoben nothing? He's an excellent moderator, but it takes a lot of time to adjust to moderating 400,000 people in a politically charged in environment. We're doing a post mortem on that weird french language mega thread though. Talk to me about it in a different IRC chat though, because we're getting off topic Jul 02 20:07:26 But can you expect them to respond to it same day? Jul 02 20:07:43 If they didn't respond to you 24 hours later then I'd make a fuss Jul 02 20:07:46 SlyRatchet, we're people do this in our spare time for "fun", they are a very valuable company whose main business is running a website Jul 02 20:08:03 But I'm reasonable I know that shit takes time and I rather get a proper response then a rushed one. Jul 02 20:08:05 picflute, Yeah, when they had people flying to NY to do AMA, and the agent told the mod team about the news. Jul 02 20:08:13 picflute; The biggest thing is that /r/science was ignored through 5 different contact methods for 4 hours. After we went private, we actually got them to pay attention. Jul 02 20:08:22 Wow, 4 hours ? Jul 02 20:08:37 Which is a long time if you have AMAs planned with client. Jul 02 20:08:43 clients* Jul 02 20:09:02 "Hey you were suppose to get help from this person, who is no longer here.. And the company hasn't responded to us" Jul 02 20:09:18 That company tends to take a day to get responses. Jul 02 20:09:29 Which is still bad management. Jul 02 20:09:40 I find that better then how some mods operate on the site Jul 02 20:09:55 There are certian things that are priotized higher than others. Jul 02 20:10:11 people that mod for free arent a priority Jul 02 20:10:26 I am on the board of a national organisation, and I handle some of our communication.. And some regular mails I can let wait for a couple of hours or even some days.. Jul 02 20:10:42 But if something in the organisation broke, or someone had to leave their post, I wouldn't fucking wait hours. Jul 02 20:10:44 Great, butlet's look at what we're dealing with here. Jul 02 20:10:46 I would be on the phone, to fix it. Jul 02 20:11:01 You're asking for contact information for people correct? Jul 02 20:11:14 Ivashkin true, but I think the fundamentals of both groups being a fairly tight nit organisation responding to a sort of public relations crisis. I think that means the time scales of response can be fairly similar Jul 02 20:11:16 IAMA breaking down is bad PR for Reddit. Jul 02 20:11:25 IAmA community didn't break down, the mods did. Jul 02 20:11:35 Are there any IAMA and AskReddit mods here? Jul 02 20:11:58 picflute, Have you read what Karmanaut wrote about what it meant to have Victoria removed? Jul 02 20:12:15 https://np.reddit.com/r/OutOfTheLoop/comments/3bw39q/why_has_riama_been_set_to_private/csq204d <-- picflute Jul 02 20:12:16 (Tylzen) Why has R/Iama been set to private? : OutOfTheLoop - 2,031 comments, 5,602 points - chickenmagic, 7h ago Jul 02 20:12:21 I am well aware of what was said Jul 02 20:12:42 SlyRatchet, we don't have meeting rooms, email, IM, conference call lines and day jobs specifically to deal with these problems Jul 02 20:12:45 But do you really think that it'sokay to shut down multiple sitesbecause ofit? Jul 02 20:12:50 And you still think it isn't a break down, if you remove an essential part of how IAMA works, and not having a backup ready. Jul 02 20:12:55 How many subs actively use Victoria and her free service? Jul 02 20:12:56 isnt that called a strike? Jul 02 20:13:07 its a moderator unofficial union strike Jul 02 20:13:13 Does every IAmA require her attention? Jul 02 20:13:15 picflute, The rest of the subs are sympathizing. Jul 02 20:13:28 iama, /r/science, /r/books, /r/music all used her heavily that I know of Jul 02 20:13:42 movies used her I believe Jul 02 20:13:53 she must feel so loved right now Jul 02 20:13:54 man its been a long time since i saw karmanaut getting upvoted so much in his own acct Jul 02 20:13:55 Books and music aren't down yet though Jul 02 20:13:56 its what happens when you employ thousands of people to curate your content and work for reddit gold and stickers Jul 02 20:13:56 Ivashkin, true, but we were in almost constant contact throughout that crisis, even if we didn't use Skype. The time it took for action to be had was based on our feelings of the crisis, not our ability to communicate or otherwise Jul 02 20:13:58 But I guess it is better to go back to Rampant IAMAs Jul 02 20:14:08 soooooo lonnnnnngggggggggg Jul 02 20:14:17 snarkypants an official moderator's union would be an awesome idea though. I nominate myself Jul 02 20:14:17 snarkypants, Did you ever watch Rampant? Jul 02 20:14:23 Wow 1 bad AmA and hundreds that were fine withouther Jul 02 20:14:28 SlyRatchet, let's do it Jul 02 20:14:33 SlyRatchet, Nominate yourself to be a union? :D Jul 02 20:14:36 And there were multiple ones that operated without her that did fine. Jul 02 20:14:46 but it needs an old school union name Jul 02 20:14:47 o_O Jul 02 20:14:53 the fuck did I miss Jul 02 20:14:59 we are forming a union Jul 02 20:15:03 sarahbotts, lol Jul 02 20:15:05 Call me Moderator's Union now. You may petition to join me and be absorbed into my contiousness Jul 02 20:15:06 picflute, You cannot see the major difference in quality before Victoria to whilst she was there. Jul 02 20:15:07 Join the party Jul 02 20:15:22 teaearlgraycold come back and 4 mods are added and other shit is on fire Jul 02 20:15:26 sarahbotts, Victoria fired/let go, a lot of defaults have gone dark Jul 02 20:15:29 Local Mod 119th Jul 02 20:15:31 sarahbotts, /r/history, /r/iama, /r/science, /r/gaming, /r/art, /r/askreddy, /r/circlejerk, /r/crappydesign all down Jul 02 20:15:36 I HAVE ONLY BEEN ON VACATION FOR 2 DAYS Jul 02 20:15:38 lol crappydesign Jul 02 20:15:38 I see the difference, but I fail to see why her departure would honestly affect how a majority of those subreddit operate Jul 02 20:15:39 wait really Jul 02 20:15:43 Yes Jul 02 20:15:46 !mdos askreddy Jul 02 20:15:47 should I shut down documentaries for the lulz Jul 02 20:15:49 !mdos askreddit Jul 02 20:15:52 sarahbotts: yeah it just started around ... 8 hours ago Jul 02 20:15:52 shit Jul 02 20:15:54 https://www.reddit.com/r/SubredditDrama/comments/3bwgjf/riama_set_to_private_over_mod_firing/ <-- sarahbotts Jul 02 20:15:54 I suck Jul 02 20:15:55 (Tylzen) /r/IAmA set to private over mod firing : SubredditDrama - 1,946 comments, 3,470 points - eonOne, 5h ago Jul 02 20:16:00 !mods askreddit Jul 02 20:16:00 r/askreddit doesn't exist or is private Jul 02 20:16:02 .flip sarahbotts Jul 02 20:16:02 ( ﾉ♉︵♉ ）ﾉ ︵ sʇʇoqɥɐɹɐs Jul 02 20:16:06 !mods history Jul 02 20:16:07 r/history doesn't exist or is private Jul 02 20:16:10 !mods science Jul 02 20:16:10 r/science doesn't exist or is private Jul 02 20:16:13 !mods modeltrains Jul 02 20:16:13 r/modeltrains has 7 mods: snarkypants, Tylzen, fotbr, burnhearts, girlbrarian, SEO_Killer, and BotWatchman Jul 02 20:16:18 picflute, I don't think this is about this specific incident, I think this is about a larger issue with the way Reddit operates Jul 02 20:16:23 Tylzen: modeltrains? :p Jul 02 20:16:23 snarkypants, MODELTRAINS ARE STILL GOING CHOO CHOO Jul 02 20:16:26 lol!! Jul 02 20:16:29 andytuba, They are fucking awesome. Jul 02 20:16:31 ./circlejerk is not private lol Jul 02 20:16:34 this just brought the matter to a head Jul 02 20:16:46 circlejerk was private Jul 02 20:16:48 !mods circlejerk Jul 02 20:16:48 r/circlejerk doesn't exist or is private Jul 02 20:16:51 it is private Jul 02 20:16:52 Still is Jul 02 20:16:53 .. Jul 02 20:16:54 oh Jul 02 20:16:55 wtf Jul 02 20:16:57 dumbo Jul 02 20:17:02 nvm Jul 02 20:17:05 approved submitter Jul 02 20:17:08 CARRY ON EATING POPCORN Jul 02 20:17:10 picflute, Is your username phallic? Jul 02 20:17:10 NOTHING HAPPENd Jul 02 20:17:11 Circlejerk was private on their "summer vacation" before the shutdown. THey just changed their message. Jul 02 20:17:11 n00b Jul 02 20:17:17 lol what Jul 02 20:17:29 My ID is the same here Jul 02 20:17:31 picflute, Because pic sounds like dick in Danish, and flûte is like a small baguette. Jul 02 20:17:39 picflute, I keep reading your name like Dick Baguette. Jul 02 20:17:42 Rather distracting. Jul 02 20:17:42 The Victorian Era is starting Jul 02 20:17:43 Piccolo + Flute Jul 02 20:17:44 askreddit going private surprises me Jul 02 20:17:48 what the fuck Jul 02 20:17:49 PicFlute. Jul 02 20:17:52 victoria's secret subs Jul 02 20:17:53 where is the pizza gif Jul 02 20:17:56 I prefer DickBaguette <3 Jul 02 20:18:00 Cool Jul 02 20:18:06 .gis walking into the room with pizza and everything is on fire gif Jul 02 20:18:06 (sarahbotts) http://38.media.tumblr.com/6228573587d4ec5b83d10d8453176ee6/tumblr_mxwyznfaxF1rbjoeao1_400.gif Jul 02 20:18:15 Guys, I'm gonna try and write up a list. What are some grievances you have with the admins that you'd like addressed relating to this issue? Jul 02 20:18:39 sarahbotts: priv lol Jul 02 20:18:50 huh? Jul 02 20:18:50 kill modmail and change it to something else Jul 02 20:18:54 new search page fucking sucks Jul 02 20:18:55 >We get that losing Victoria has a significant impact on the way you manage your community. I'd really like to understand how we can help solve these problems, because I know r/IAMA thrived before her and will thrive after. Jul 02 20:18:57 SlyRatchet: Modmail. Jul 02 20:19:05 that comment though Jul 02 20:19:12 sarahbotts, Yup, from Alexis :D Jul 02 20:19:14 Make modmail not suck every ass in the Western Hemisphere Jul 02 20:19:17 modmail, shitty mod tools, not enough admin level help when needed Jul 02 20:19:19 I want redditmade back Jul 02 20:19:23 sarahbotts, We will do fine, they created ama@reddit.com :D Jul 02 20:19:27 Actually I'dlike it if we could downloada full archive of modmail Jul 02 20:19:38 So, I think the message I'm getting here is, we don't like mod mail, right? xP Jul 02 20:19:46 ^ Jul 02 20:20:15 you need modtools to even begin to make it usable Jul 02 20:20:16 how long goes it take to rework modmail if they have a dedicated engineer for it though Jul 02 20:20:17 If they offered an archive download I'd suck it up and use it forver Jul 02 20:20:17 july 4th festivities starting early, i see Jul 02 20:20:30 * sarahbotts throws alienth a beer Jul 02 20:20:33 I started drinking Jul 02 20:20:35 So Jul 02 20:20:37 you know, obama did an ama once Jul 02 20:20:38 You just finding all this out alienth? Jul 02 20:20:38 Does anyone have the IAMA app on their phones? What does it do now? Jul 02 20:20:40 THANKS OBAMA Jul 02 20:20:47 Tylzen: it just hangs while loading Jul 02 20:20:47 joyouscacophony: nah, i've been watching it from a distance. Jul 02 20:20:50 In the morning I take a shower and get dressed in a suit before I sit down to moderate each day. All I'm asking for is complementary warm hand towels and champaign to make my day brighter. Jul 02 20:20:50 if we could quickly load the entire mod mail page then we could just use alt F, but we can't EVEN do taht Jul 02 20:20:51 beer of choice x316nuts Jul 02 20:20:52 Tylzen: it shows nothing Jul 02 20:20:56 But, eh. 1) Perhaps hiring some more community managers, and 2) Better mod tools - we shouldn't have to rely on a forest of extensions to run a large sub. Jul 02 20:21:02 Not even the private message. Jul 02 20:21:08 I thought there were more community managers hired, just silently Jul 02 20:21:17 Chocolate rain. When in doubt drink a 19% beer Jul 02 20:21:18 was there an announcement for lordvinyl and others? Jul 02 20:21:20 I don't remember seeing one Jul 02 20:21:33 I may dive into my cellard w00tstout tonight Jul 02 20:21:43 It seems to be a good night for it Jul 02 20:21:50 That's a good beer for sure. Third batch us coming out now Jul 02 20:21:52 Man I feel bad for that dude, Jul 02 20:22:00 I missed the 2nd Jul 02 20:22:09 I mean, they didn't design the app with it loading a private sub in mind Jul 02 20:22:10 SRC literally has a hate boner for him Jul 02 20:22:16 i'm surprised it even honors the private setting Jul 02 20:22:32 x_plus_popcorn: if it didn't then anyone could get around the private setting via API Jul 02 20:22:38 https://voat.co/v/announcements/comments/194043 Jul 02 20:22:39 since the iama app just consumes the API Jul 02 20:22:45 I should rephrase that Jul 02 20:22:55 I'm pleasantly surprised it doesn't use some weird hack Jul 02 20:23:08 LOL gilgamesh Jul 02 20:23:19 https://twitter.com/edfrenkel/status/616762107560787968 <-- lol :D Jul 02 20:23:19 (Tylzen) @edfrenkel (Edward Frenkel): .@ShittyAskSci That's what I want to know. So far, no explanation and no apology from @reddit_AMA. This is uncool and unprofessional at best (7 minutes and 45 seconds ago) Jul 02 20:23:44 Someone should tell him to email ama@reddit.com :D Jul 02 20:24:02 lol Jul 02 20:24:40 This is even better than fph Jul 02 20:24:53 please email AMA@reddit.com so you can have the pelasure of being promtly ignored Jul 02 20:24:58 Kek Jul 02 20:25:08 It'll get better if more defaults shutter up x_plus_popcorn Jul 02 20:25:11 multi-mod, I like that.. Self-inflicted silent treatment. Jul 02 20:25:26 You also seem to prefer complaining about it more then finding a solution yourself Jul 02 20:25:29 email and ask why iama is closed Jul 02 20:25:37 alienth, where are you in reddit's time of need? Jul 02 20:25:42 What kind of solution could I possible find :D Jul 02 20:25:49 stackexchange Jul 02 20:25:58 None because you've made it clear you're incapable of finding one out yourself. Jul 02 20:26:03 a Jul 02 20:26:05 Hah Jul 02 20:26:09 multi-mod: i've got new things to worry about nowadays. Jul 02 20:26:18 But seriously, you think we can find a solution to this? :D Jul 02 20:26:22 how's working at stack exchaange? Jul 02 20:26:30 s/exchaange/exchange Jul 02 20:26:31 Correction, how's working at stack exchange? Jul 02 20:26:36 I cannot fix how the heads of Reddit run their company. Jul 02 20:26:50 he's working at stack exchange, but redditing all day Jul 02 20:26:50 You can fix the situation with AmA's and attempt to contact them directly. Jul 02 20:26:51 alienth: Stealth Voat agent! Jul 02 20:26:52 been going well :) just got back from denver where we setup a new cage at a DC Jul 02 20:26:54 well the solution would be to simply reopen the subs, and whenever somebody wants to schedule an AMA, send them to the admin contact link. Jul 02 20:27:13 https://i.imgur.com/GVFbI3L.webm Jul 02 20:27:22 snarkypants, Yeah, but he asked me to find a solution, and I cannot reopen any of those subreddits :D Jul 02 20:27:34 lol Jul 02 20:27:37 do we have a mod union ? Jul 02 20:27:43 it wud be fun Jul 02 20:27:43 this type of situation has no 'solution'. it only has an outcome. Jul 02 20:27:55 the outcome remains to be seen. i can't iamgine it being positive, tho. Jul 02 20:27:55 #modtalk is the closest we have to a union :D Jul 02 20:28:03 oh i c u r back in the reigns alienth Jul 02 20:28:04 haha Jul 02 20:28:07 jeepers its alienth Jul 02 20:28:07 hey any new subs go down? Jul 02 20:28:11 hi alienth Jul 02 20:28:16 ello ello Jul 02 20:28:33 alienth, I'm really worried this is just going to make the walls between mods and admins taller Jul 02 20:28:39 what sort of outcome do you forsee, wise alienth ? Jul 02 20:28:44 any thoughts on the new developments alienth ? i c everyone is playing the private hide and seek game Jul 02 20:28:46 Everyone will end up more and more salty Jul 02 20:28:52 making the subs private doesnt really help Jul 02 20:28:58 Or forget about it after a week and not care Jul 02 20:29:16 teaearlgraycold: too late for that, everyone's already saltier than Lot's wife Jul 02 20:29:21 greenduch: wellllll, i don't think anything that reddit can do or promise is going to make the mods who feel like they're being ignored feel better. Jul 02 20:29:26 so Jul 02 20:29:29 What do the subs in question actually want to see as a result, in concrete terms? Some codified requests would help clarify things. Jul 02 20:29:29 i just got home Jul 02 20:29:29 I do not support this request. Jul 02 20:29:31 finished dinner Jul 02 20:29:34 Man my fucking inbox Jul 02 20:29:36 and noticed about a dozen modmails Jul 02 20:29:41 asking if we're going to go private Jul 02 20:29:42 wat Jul 02 20:29:46 lol Jul 02 20:29:48 !mods x316nits Jul 02 20:29:49 r/x316nits has 0 mods: Jul 02 20:29:52 welp, the admins managed to make a country go private Jul 02 20:29:53 I can think of a couple things that'd help Jul 02 20:29:56 I can't spell, dammit Jul 02 20:29:59 well thats always alienth Jul 02 20:30:00 haha Jul 02 20:30:00 qIR Jul 02 20:30:03 wot Jul 02 20:30:06 Oh yeah, we've gotten them in a bunch of my subs Jul 02 20:30:07 !mods 316cats Jul 02 20:30:07 r/316cats has 8 mods: 316nuts, A_Cylon_Raider, stopscopiesme, cupcake1713, lolsail, redtaboo, familynight, and statball Jul 02 20:30:08 .flip allthefoxes Jul 02 20:30:08 ( ﾉ♉︵♉ ）ﾉ ︵ sǝxoɟǝɥʇןןɐ Jul 02 20:30:12 so, i suspect the subreddits will stay private until cooler heads prevail, or until the community pendulum swigns against the mods and they resign out of exasperation. (at least in some cases) Jul 02 20:30:12 Yis Jul 02 20:30:16 snarkypants, It would make reddit less desirable, and generate less traffic and less money, which the heads of Reddit understand :D Jul 02 20:30:18 .flip sarahbutts Jul 02 20:30:19 (╯°□°）╯ ︵ sʇʇnqɥɐɹɐs Jul 02 20:30:26 i m thinking of joining this protest by privating r/rya11111 Jul 02 20:30:28 * sarahbotts bite gilgamesh Jul 02 20:30:29 anyone with me ? Jul 02 20:30:29 !mods horses Jul 02 20:30:29 r/horses has 5 mods: naphthoylindole, BrittanyGhoul, jasmin356, AtomicPenny, and BotWatchman Jul 02 20:30:33 hatechu Jul 02 20:30:36 maybe indefinitely in some cases, or until they come up for grabs by /r/redditrequest. Jul 02 20:30:40 reddit can just designate different subs as defaults Jul 02 20:30:51 Including IAmA? Jul 02 20:30:52 a country subreddit went private??? Jul 02 20:30:54 That's awkward Jul 02 20:30:55 snarkypants, Sure, but still hard to make them as popular. Jul 02 20:30:56 snarkypants: iama is a bit tricky on that. Jul 02 20:30:57 wait which Jul 02 20:30:59 * gilgamesh ouch Jul 02 20:31:00 lol spain Jul 02 20:31:05 rya: i privated /r/x_minus_one Jul 02 20:31:08 o7 Jul 02 20:31:08 snarkypants, Also IAMA has an official app :D Jul 02 20:31:09 haha Jul 02 20:31:10 snarkypants: gaming as well. there is so much history that is linked to which is now inaccessible. Jul 02 20:31:12 God too much drama today Jul 02 20:31:14 gud gud x_plus_popcorn Jul 02 20:31:14 can you reddit request private subs with active mods though? Jul 02 20:31:17 alienth, if there was some kind of delivered update on modmail I suppose some of the subs would open up immediately Jul 02 20:31:18 snarkypants, Can we apply to make Modeltrains a default :D Jul 02 20:31:21 sure Jul 02 20:31:24 Woohoo Jul 02 20:31:26 sarahbotts> can you reddit request private subs with active mods though? no Jul 02 20:31:33 sarahbotts you can request it, but they won't grant your request ;P Jul 02 20:31:39 it's a private sub, not an inactive one Jul 02 20:31:39 yea i dont think u can request them Jul 02 20:31:39 also I gave /u/noeatnosleep /r/askmeanything Jul 02 20:31:54 only if the mods r inactive Jul 02 20:31:56 I should mail ama@reddit.com "Dear Reddit, since IAMA is private, can you please make r/modeltrains a default instead.. We don't need any help from you." Jul 02 20:32:06 teaearlgraycold: maybe, but I don't think there is much of an update to provide on modmail. Jul 02 20:32:19 so i'm doubtful that will happen Jul 02 20:32:20 hahaha Jul 02 20:32:25 Can't you just scrap the whole system and introduce something similar to reddit live with it? Jul 02 20:32:32 alienth, are you saying you think it doesn't need much improvement? or that it's too bad to fix Jul 02 20:32:55 https://www.reddit.com/r/BooU/ Jul 02 20:32:56 teaearlgraycold: no no, i'm saying that it eneds a huge amount of improvemenmt, which has been said many, many times. saying it again won't calm anyone down. Jul 02 20:33:01 god damn it I knew this was going to snowball this morning Jul 02 20:33:03 for booing admins! Jul 02 20:33:17 alienth, that's why I said code needs to be shipped Jul 02 20:33:48 yeah, gotta get someone to work on it first. (i'm not sure if anyone is) Jul 02 20:33:53 admins, kindly remind corporate that the mods wrote and control most of the bots that keep these places running, so if they are thinking of reaching for the banhammer, think twice Jul 02 20:33:56 Something - at least make modmail chains threaded and allow for the remove button to actually do something Jul 02 20:34:02 Threading is just a bit of JS Jul 02 20:34:23 I sort of started in the lets wait and see camp this morning.. I think kn0thing was really the reason I switched so quickly. Jul 02 20:34:24 do u think the admins even noticed all the defaults privatized ? Jul 02 20:34:25 alienth, I've been wondering if the lack of dev. on modmail was a monetary issue Jul 02 20:34:44 rya, I think KK noticed, which is why she noped out of chat before Jul 02 20:34:49 lol Jul 02 20:34:51 This is truly a great time to be alive. Jul 02 20:34:52 no its lack of management Jul 02 20:35:02 it is a lack of funds Jul 02 20:35:05 i feel bad for KK :( Jul 02 20:35:09 they need more venture capital injected Jul 02 20:35:15 btw, in before #modtalk leak Jul 02 20:35:23 i cud inject it too Jul 02 20:35:25 .lenny Jul 02 20:35:25 rya: they absolutely know Jul 02 20:35:25 ( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡ °) Jul 02 20:35:30 goldf1sh came back Jul 02 20:35:30 oh Jul 02 20:35:36 well thats gud Jul 02 20:35:37 WalkingDeadFish Jul 02 20:35:47 lol Jul 02 20:35:59 Someone must have realised something is up by *now Jul 02 20:36:09 Even integrating some stuff like Toolbox a bit better would be a huge help, generally. Jul 02 20:36:13 i think the admins will be saying "this is the internet .. it will be back to normal by tmw" Jul 02 20:36:14 Also, can you guys access this link? It's the list of demands so far https://docs.google.com/document/d/1AmZVV7i0aWfDnzyrFlPVBRpl5SUojlhUvb5COElZIYU/edit?usp=sharing Jul 02 20:36:27 nice try doxxer Jul 02 20:36:28 and i think dey r right Jul 02 20:36:36 aw Jul 02 20:36:41 dawww, poor KK Jul 02 20:36:45 don't hate us :( Jul 02 20:36:48 requests* Jul 02 20:36:49 F Jul 02 20:37:05 I love Krispy Jul 02 20:37:17 lol they are not going t give mods access to ip information to determine sockuppetry, this isn't wikipedia Jul 02 20:37:19 lol modtalk, home of the mod bitching Jul 02 20:37:22 :P Jul 02 20:37:23 I feel like if reddit took more pull requests this wouldnt' be such a big issue Jul 02 20:37:40 snarkypants, they can give IP has info Jul 02 20:37:41 Damn Jul 02 20:37:45 hash* Jul 02 20:37:50 What the fuck is going to happen to SubredditSimulator Jul 02 20:37:51 its a vilatin of privacy, they are not Jul 02 20:37:51 I mention in the same bullet point that there are other things they could do Jul 02 20:37:52 teaearlgraycold: nope, you can't. becauuuse. Jul 02 20:37:53 ipv32 Jul 02 20:37:56 err Jul 02 20:37:56 *violation Jul 02 20:37:56 ipv4 Jul 02 20:38:03 ip hashing isn't viable Jul 02 20:38:06 alienth? Jul 02 20:38:07 due to the small address space Jul 02 20:38:11 k Jul 02 20:38:18 an employee can have access to it, but an employee isn't going to hand it out to a mod or another user Jul 02 20:38:19 ./r/videos private aswell Jul 02 20:38:22 how many do we have to go? Jul 02 20:38:23 really? Jul 02 20:38:24 alienth, hash the IP + salth with subreddit specific info Jul 02 20:38:26 ya Jul 02 20:38:27 modmail from reporters. How wonderful. Jul 02 20:38:33 Stuff we can't see Jul 02 20:38:40 or just hire more employees to handle that kind of activity Jul 02 20:38:52 but to hire more employees they need more money Jul 02 20:38:53 teaearlgraycold: that'd require a modification to the privacy policy. Jul 02 20:38:54 Journlalists should be forced to through basic behavior training Jul 02 20:39:02 teaearlgraycold: which would need to be presented to the community Jul 02 20:39:09 I like the sub-specific salted hash idea Jul 02 20:39:10 teaearlgraycold: i'd say good luck getting the community to swallow that one :/ Jul 02 20:39:14 imagine the butthurt Jul 02 20:39:15 alienth, I'm sure - just an idea I've been tossing around with other mods Jul 02 20:39:16 ahaha Jul 02 20:39:16 so they need to get better at selling advertising, or get more investors Jul 02 20:39:19 a live thread Jul 02 20:39:20 https://www.reddit.com/r/SubredditDrama/comments/3bxm5v/reddit_live_thread_for_amageddon_pm_or_reply_if/ Jul 02 20:39:20 (rya) Reddit Live Thread for AMAgeddon (PM or reply if you want to add... : SubredditDrama - 19 comments, 29 points - justcool393, 27m ago Jul 02 20:39:23 this is great Jul 02 20:39:24 Honestly, after looking at where this person writes, I'm thinking that the DailyDot would be more reputable. Jul 02 20:39:27 sub specific salted hash idea?.. Jul 02 20:39:40 DD Reputable? Jul 02 20:39:45 Which section? Jul 02 20:39:46 for giving mods access to IP addrs Jul 02 20:39:54 thats private information though Jul 02 20:39:55 alienth, if it's subreddit or even thread specific then it's not so dangerous IMO. Jul 02 20:40:00 its not going to happen Jul 02 20:40:02 krispy couldn't handle us Jul 02 20:40:19 Compared to this "journalists" website? Their top story is "Forget Kim K: Each of these 31 girls have a better butt" Jul 02 20:40:27 there goes videos Jul 02 20:40:29 Okay Jul 02 20:40:30 snarkypants, it's not info - it's just pseudo-randomness based off of the IP in some way Jul 02 20:40:31 we need alienth to make an announcement post to calm us all down Jul 02 20:40:39 snarkypants: properly implemeneted, all you could do with it Jul 02 20:40:43 teaearlgraycold: dangerous or not, it is a significant change regarding how the company handles private user info. giving non-employees teh ability to determine what accounts share the same IP requires some thought on privacy. Jul 02 20:40:44 sockpuppetry isn't against the rules Jul 02 20:40:45 So which out of the loop mod to I bribe to have flair mention /r/316cats Jul 02 20:40:48 XenoBen: I think the site's net comment quality just improved a bit. Jul 02 20:40:58 teaearlgraycold: not saying it isn't worth considering, but it is certainly not trivial Jul 02 20:41:16 Ok I am changing the IP request thing to something more vague. Jul 02 20:41:18 NumberTwoFan: i no longer work there, so i'm kinda unable to help out Jul 02 20:41:30 alienth, I can appreciate that. But there is precedence in this matter. IRC gives out that information (hashed IPs), different forum software does the same Jul 02 20:41:31 Don't forget you can leave comments on the doc itself Jul 02 20:41:35 noeatnosleep|shop, you need to get /r/askmeanything going Jul 02 20:41:39 should have made yourself an approved submitter before you left Jul 02 20:41:39 recently, reddit is going down a v steep sloap Jul 02 20:41:49 how about automatically spamfilter stuff from a banned user's blatant alt? Jul 02 20:41:54 SlyRatchet: whats happening? Jul 02 20:41:57 I want a ban function that bans the IP without us having to see it Jul 02 20:42:11 ^ Jul 02 20:42:14 XenoBen I'm making a list of requests from the moderators to the admins https://docs.google.com/document/d/1AmZVV7i0aWfDnzyrFlPVBRpl5SUojlhUvb5COElZIYU/edit?usp=sharing Jul 02 20:42:16 that alone would be useful Jul 02 20:42:24 no more people saying "I have 20 accounts, you banned number 3" Jul 02 20:42:25 ah ok Jul 02 20:42:35 I have massive issues with ban evasion Jul 02 20:42:36 Ivashkin: IP banning tends to not work well on reddit. like.. it works OK.. but it is insanely easy to work around for most people. also, a lot of folks are coming from dorm rooms, or behind LSN where 10,000 people share the same IP. Jul 02 20:42:53 alienth, large universities don't NAT Jul 02 20:43:01 Neither of the two near me do Jul 02 20:43:07 r/videos went private btw Jul 02 20:43:09 I know, on a php forum I restorted to browser fingerprinting Jul 02 20:43:12 https://www.dan.me.uk/tornodes Jul 02 20:43:14 It's way easier to blame someone for torrenting without NATing Jul 02 20:43:18 teaearlgraycold: i ran into plenty that did while i was at reddit, because we'd limit one IP and an entire university would be emailing us. Jul 02 20:43:25 my entire accommodation block all came out 1 ip Jul 02 20:43:28 pain in the ass, but Apache wouldn't even serve certain users a 404 Jul 02 20:43:28 often because some student tried scraping us Jul 02 20:43:37 Even fingerprinting can be got around trivially. So awkward. Jul 02 20:43:45 Obliviater, please redirect all /r/videos traffic to /r/video Jul 02 20:43:45 .mods videos Jul 02 20:43:45 (x_plus_popcorn) Sorry r/videos is set to private and I cannot access it. Jul 02 20:43:56 Wtf Jul 02 20:43:58 I didn't vote Jul 02 20:44:00 wtf Jul 02 20:44:05 Too late Jul 02 20:44:05 I didn't even see a vote Jul 02 20:44:05 Ok, snarkypants Jul 02 20:44:06 seriously Jul 02 20:44:07 alienth, I'd assume smaller ones - like less than 4k. Interesting to hear that though Jul 02 20:44:09 lol Jul 02 20:44:09 Will soon Jul 02 20:44:10 overruied i guess Jul 02 20:44:12 wtf is this Jul 02 20:44:17 This isn't cool Jul 02 20:44:31 teaearlgraycold: anyways, don't let me dissuade you from thinking of these things. just trying to provide context on reddit's POV regarding those things. Jul 02 20:44:34 Hey when this leaks eventually to paste bin please subscribe to /r/316cats Jul 02 20:44:40 Thank you Jul 02 20:44:45 also /r/modeltrains Jul 02 20:44:56 and /r/shittyshowerthoughts thx Jul 02 20:45:03 @guitarfreak may I speak to you in a DM over irc? Jul 02 20:45:04 and dont forget to check out my meme collection Jul 02 20:45:08 im waiting for r/funny to shut down Jul 02 20:45:17 i want funny and pics Jul 02 20:45:20 to clear frontpage Jul 02 20:45:25 alienth, thanks. But do these ideas even have a slight chance at fruition? It's one thing to hear that they're not horrible and worth some thought. Another entirely to see it leave IRC or /r/defaultmods even for a second Jul 02 20:45:25 I voted no in pics Jul 02 20:45:28 Like they'd do anything to benefit the site Jul 02 20:45:38 You whiny fucks Jul 02 20:45:44 :) Jul 02 20:45:49 pics, funny and aa. frontpage will be epic. Jul 02 20:46:00 There'd be nothing left Jul 02 20:46:07 Sure they make alllll of their employees move to sf and no one cares about that Jul 02 20:46:14 i think reddit should just hire more staff that is responsible for curating content and managing default subs Jul 02 20:46:17 When this leaks: Hi mum! Jul 02 20:46:23 teaearlgraycold: not being there anymore I can't say for certain. i can say that anything which may involve the privacy of users is going to have to be presented to the community as a whole, which is an extremely difficult sell (as i'm sure you're aware) Jul 02 20:46:24 Videos goes dark Jul 02 20:46:24 Sure we leak nude celebs and no one cares Jul 02 20:46:35 the world cared about that Jul 02 20:46:37 No one cares about jailbait back in the day Jul 02 20:46:54 remember when they sub used to show up on google? Jul 02 20:46:57 Regarding site funding: I'd recommend that the admins just introduce advertising. The amount of money they could rise from targets adds would rival YouTube on a per add basis Jul 02 20:47:05 per view** basis Jul 02 20:47:08 no one cares about coon town, sex with dogs etc Jul 02 20:47:14 But we're drawing the line here Jul 02 20:47:16 alienth, we don't have to see user info, even something like flagging alts to mods in threads would help Jul 02 20:47:18 SlyRatchet: reddit has advertising Jul 02 20:47:19 alienth, I could try to work my way in from the inside. Pose as a recently graduated CS student - but really, I'm a mod looking for revenge Jul 02 20:47:20 K Jul 02 20:47:37 fuck Jul 02 20:47:38 just something we can see that says dude 3, 9 and 43 are using the same IP Jul 02 20:47:39 SlyRatchet: that is one of the main revenue streams of reddit, in fact Jul 02 20:47:45 advertising and gold Jul 02 20:47:53 adblocker and don't buy gold. got it Jul 02 20:48:02 SlyRatchet: Might be worth making the list of requests look a bit less like demands? Can't hurt to make things look less aggressive. Jul 02 20:48:16 when did alienth leave reddit? #newstome Jul 02 20:48:21 Kreius: back in Feb Jul 02 20:48:23 A while ago Jul 02 20:48:28 oh wow it's been awhile then Jul 02 20:48:31 https://www.reddit.com/r/alienth/comments/2v1cd1/this_is_not_a_test_i_repeat_this_is_not_a_test/ Jul 02 20:48:32 (alienth) This is not a test, I repeat, this is not a test : alienth - 95 comments, 81 points - alienth, 4m ago Jul 02 20:48:37 .mods gadgets Jul 02 20:48:37 (joyouscacophony) Sorry r/gadgets is set to private and I cannot access it. Jul 02 20:48:38 alienth it has adds? I know it has space for adds but I've literally *never* seen a real add on there. Jul 02 20:48:50 When they made all employees move to San Francisco BUT NO RIOTS FOR THAT Jul 02 20:48:53 SlyRatchet: sidebar ads and sponsored links at the top of listings, for many years Jul 02 20:49:07 SlyRatchet: https://www.reddit.com/advertising Jul 02 20:49:10 alienth, ooh, stack overflow? Jul 02 20:49:13 Make all of the employees uproot their lives? Don't give a fuck Jul 02 20:49:14 My man Jul 02 20:49:16 Gadgets went private Jul 02 20:49:19 I've seen the sidebar adds, but there's never adds in them. Just little things which tell me thanks for not using adblock Jul 02 20:49:26 I'm waiting to see if MillenniumFalc0n makes NTO go private. Jul 02 20:49:33 I know they have advertising *functionality* but that's not what they've been used for Jul 02 20:49:40 x316nuts: ehh, I remember some people giving a fuck about that. there were some angry defaultmod/modtalk posts and threats of going dark Jul 02 20:49:50 SlyRatchet: nah, there are ads there. you're probably blind to them, like myself. Jul 02 20:49:59 there have been movie ads there quite recently Jul 02 20:49:59 Locutus: I agree on making them look less like demands. It's just that I wrote this like five minutes ago in MC word :P Jul 02 20:50:02 for some movie i don't remember Jul 02 20:50:03 heh Jul 02 20:50:09 "threats" = please pay attention to me so I feel important Jul 02 20:50:11 Ahah Jul 02 20:50:14 Makes sense Jul 02 20:50:14 Please boost my ego Jul 02 20:50:20 SlyRatchet: we set a policy of never doing animated/fullpage ads when I was there. Jul 02 20:50:29 Shut the fuck up they just want to look at goddamn memes Jul 02 20:50:37 Alienth you worked at reddit? Jul 02 20:50:37 imgoingtohellforthis joins le reddit mod revolution Jul 02 20:50:37 remember the policy about remote employees being allowed Jul 02 20:50:41 then they changed it Jul 02 20:50:44 Reddit politics is nothing to them Jul 02 20:50:45 my ads just say "thanks for not using adblock" which is odd because I am Jul 02 20:50:45 SlyRatchet: for 4 years :) Jul 02 20:50:48 x316nuts: I think if a few subreddits actually did it, then others would feel inclined to do the same, like dominos. IAMA and Askreddit were the first dominoes this time around Jul 02 20:50:50 There have been threats of "going dark" so many times before - but this time 1 subreddit needed to go dark because their entire workflow was fucked over. Others saw this as an opportunity to do what they'd always hoped to do. So for unrelated reasons they shut down Jul 02 20:50:53 policies arent forever Jul 02 20:51:21 snarkypants: i do! i was a remote employee :) Jul 02 20:51:28 we in politics have a vote we might join everyone in 7 days when our procedures are done... Jul 02 20:51:30 but prob not Jul 02 20:51:32 ; Jul 02 20:51:33 ;) Jul 02 20:51:38 because this will be over Jul 02 20:51:39 GodOfAtheism: so brave Jul 02 20:51:44 ty Jul 02 20:51:54 Redirect to /r/316cats Jul 02 20:52:03 r/gadgets also just went private Jul 02 20:52:09 SRC went private Jul 02 20:52:18 Christ someone redirect to my cats Jul 02 20:52:18 https://www.reddit.com/r/subredditcancer Jul 02 20:52:23 picflute: Bahahahahah Jul 02 20:52:26 i wish there was a website that showed who was down Jul 02 20:52:27 !op Jul 02 20:52:28 --- ButtServ gives channel operator status to redtaboo Jul 02 20:52:28 Really? Jul 02 20:52:28 Oh god Jul 02 20:52:34 THIS IS MY CHANCE Jul 02 20:52:35 What the fuck is Subredditcancer going private for? Jul 02 20:52:40 God this whole thing is going to hell Jul 02 20:52:44 https://www.reddit.com/r/RedditLoyalists Jul 02 20:52:46 "Feel free to join us over at /r/RedditLoyalists" Jul 02 20:52:56 That's a first Jul 02 20:52:57 I'm drinking so this is perfect Jul 02 20:52:59 lol Jul 02 20:53:00 Carry on Jul 02 20:53:04 hahahahahaha src Jul 02 20:53:07 what is reddit Jul 02 20:53:09 --- redtaboo sets invite on R:Xylan_Treesong Jul 02 20:53:09 Oh God! Please let /r/european go private! Jul 02 20:53:11 The day SRC and the defaults all fought together. Jul 02 20:53:12 where am i? Jul 02 20:53:17 oh god, here we go, the flood of modmails asking us to close down Jul 02 20:53:30 SRC going private makes me feel contaminated by proxy. Jul 02 20:53:34 /r/Greece should go private due to the banking issue Jul 02 20:53:40 We're in the thunder dome Jul 02 20:53:41 yeah jsut got modmiails from 3 subs Jul 02 20:53:42 SlyRatchet: You know where they'll go instead. Jul 02 20:53:44 picflute: Royalists vs Cavaliers! Jul 02 20:53:46 I don't even mind the modmails but it's making modmail unusable at the moment Jul 02 20:53:57 !deop Jul 02 20:53:57 --- ButtServ removes channel operator status from redtaboo Jul 02 20:53:58 and that's saying a lot from me :P Jul 02 20:54:00 When I think Cavaliers I think DCI so gg Jul 02 20:54:06 Locutus I'm hoping that they go down, that way, if /r/europe goes down nobody will go to /r/european Jul 02 20:54:07 is that sub satire Jul 02 20:54:21 redditloyalists that is Jul 02 20:54:25 multi-mod mod mail is unusable anyway ;P Jul 02 20:54:34 oh god yes Jul 02 20:54:46 well, rather more unusable than usual Jul 02 20:54:47 just chill Jul 02 20:55:19 is gadgets a default? Jul 02 20:56:07 well, one take home I have is that for everyone at Reddit Inc. the 4th of July weekend is fucked Jul 02 20:57:17 gadgets is a default, I'm pretty sure? Jul 02 20:57:25 Maybe reddit will celebrate independence day by demodding every default Jul 02 20:57:32 believe so cordismelum Jul 02 20:57:32 so uh, is there some kind of drama going on today? Jul 02 20:57:33 We're fucked sigh Jul 02 20:57:35 this is it Jul 02 20:57:38 like i just woke up Jul 02 20:57:38 GG Jul 02 20:57:41 mobilehypo: yes Jul 02 20:57:45 its gr8 drama Jul 02 20:57:45 what hap? Jul 02 20:57:46 Good morning Jul 02 20:57:50 victoria got fired Jul 02 20:57:55 default subs closed shop Jul 02 20:57:56 Everything is fine Jul 02 20:57:57 of from AMA? Jul 02 20:57:58 a large chunk of defaults went dark Jul 02 20:57:59 Voat went down because of it Jul 02 20:58:03 yes of ama Jul 02 20:58:11 innnnnteresting Jul 02 20:58:20 mobilehypo: victoria got fired. iama went private. Then science, movies, art, askreddit, circlejerk, and a couple others. Jul 02 20:58:21 No. No Drama. Everything is fine. Move along, pelase Jul 02 20:58:44 Fucking CJ just became public also :\ Jul 02 20:59:00 that didnt last long Jul 02 20:59:09 my new favorite subreddit is /r/misleadingthumbnails Jul 02 20:59:41 lol "The Darkening" Jul 02 20:59:44 god bless /r/jokes Jul 02 20:59:48 southpark makes it look like people from detroit are horrible Jul 02 21:00:20 Cordismelum yes we are Jul 02 21:00:35 okay, just making sure Jul 02 21:00:35 so, what has happened in the last few hours? Jul 02 21:00:40 And I set us to private a few minutes ago. Jul 02 21:00:48 picflute are you sure you aren't just approved for it Jul 02 21:01:01 https://www.reddit.com/r/SubredditDrama/comments/3bwgjf/riama_set_to_private_over_mod_firing/csqfgtr Jul 02 21:01:02 (Flashynuff) /r/IAmA set to private over mod firing : SubredditDrama - 2,333 comments, 4,130 points - eonOne, 6h ago Jul 02 21:01:02 GoA add me as approved submitter Jul 02 21:01:03 :D Jul 02 21:01:07 Wowwww kn0thing Jul 02 21:01:25 we still have a grip of approved submitters from private week Jul 02 21:01:33 whats his job at reddit? Jul 02 21:01:34 just admin? Jul 02 21:01:38 XenoBen: founder? Jul 02 21:01:43 there you go Jul 02 21:01:57 I tip my fedora Jul 02 21:02:01 XenoBen: he and spez created reddit Jul 02 21:02:02 Guys, list a bunch of things that moderators need admins for but they suck at? Jul 02 21:02:05 .flip GodOfAtheism Jul 02 21:02:05 (╯°□°）╯ ︵ ɯsᴉǝɥʇAɟOpoG Jul 02 21:02:08 then left Jul 02 21:02:12 dont add Pic Jul 02 21:02:15 he's worse then me Jul 02 21:02:19 after quite a while Jul 02 21:02:19 how? Jul 02 21:02:20 ah ok Jul 02 21:02:25 : ^ ) Jul 02 21:02:31 You got quoted in /r/lol for leading the Paul Bart brigade Jul 02 21:02:40 comments make him look like abit of a dick Jul 02 21:02:43 That was just a happy little mistake Jul 02 21:02:51 wait more are down? Jul 02 21:02:55 Which lead to the idea you should be the ambassador Jul 02 21:03:09 noeatnosleep|shop, what did you set to private? Jul 02 21:03:20 /r/gadgets Jul 02 21:03:24 Default. Jul 02 21:03:24 XenoBen: eh, i wouldn't cosnider today to be representative. you should dig through his history sometime. Jul 02 21:03:40 ive seen a few comments from him in the past popup a few times Jul 02 21:04:05 XenoBen, Are you sticking too your prediction today? Jul 02 21:04:17 what was it again? Jul 02 21:04:21 XenoBen, alexis(kn0thing) is an insane individual. when we had a booth at PAX, he sat there for 8 hours straight to a non-stop line and had a *meaningful* conversation with everyone he spoke with... people asked me to sign shit and I couldn't even spell my name correctly :P Jul 02 21:04:36 that reddit would tell us somthing that didn't happen Jul 02 21:04:43 oh yhea Jul 02 21:04:46 i stick to that Jul 02 21:05:15 he should be the new magic 8 ball Jul 02 21:05:49 meme Jul 02 21:06:42 Victoria's Secret Armageddon Jul 02 21:06:42 I'm surprised that there is nothing on /r/all related to this. Jul 02 21:06:45 10/10 Jul 02 21:06:51 ;o Jul 02 21:06:51 WAIT Jul 02 21:06:55 i havent checked conspiracy yet Jul 02 21:06:56 http://www.businessinsider.com/reddits-ama-subreddit-down-after-victoria-taylor-depature-2015-7 Jul 02 21:06:57 the srd and ootl thread is in /r/all Jul 02 21:06:59 all defaults have gone private? Jul 02 21:07:03 no Jul 02 21:07:04 jokes didn' Jul 02 21:07:07 not all of em Jul 02 21:07:10 Where you been, cylon Jul 02 21:07:10 most did tho Jul 02 21:07:14 this is the best Jul 02 21:07:20 damn xln Jul 02 21:07:24 joyouscacophony, i got off work, went home, and played video games Jul 02 21:07:31 Now we get to dominate /r/all with post-match threads Jul 02 21:07:34 :D Jul 02 21:07:39 Welcome to the show! Jul 02 21:07:42 OMG Jul 02 21:07:49 this is my dream come true Jul 02 21:07:52 but EULCs is on.. Jul 02 21:07:55 none of them make it Jul 02 21:07:59 4 years i've been waiting for something like this to happen Jul 02 21:08:18 hey alienth, do you know if the way reddit reports traffic stats on /r/sub/about/traffic changed at all in the last few years? (before you left anyway) Jul 02 21:08:31 like, since 2012-2013? Jul 02 21:08:31 Cylon woo Jul 02 21:08:46 woooooo Jul 02 21:08:50 GuitarFreak: uhh, there was a refactoring at some point in there. not sure what impact it may have had. Jul 02 21:09:03 GuitarFreak: you might find something in /r/changelog about it>? Jul 02 21:09:08 I remember traffic reporting was fixed in 2012 Jul 02 21:09:11 before that it was really broken Jul 02 21:09:20 but I didn't know if anything changed since then or not Jul 02 21:09:36 there was cleanup, but to my knowledge no signfiicant changes since that refactor Jul 02 21:09:41 huh, alright Jul 02 21:09:43 it works via pixel checks Jul 02 21:10:01 don't quote me on that, of course :) my memory isn't perfect. Jul 02 21:10:09 I was just looking through some old traffic stats I had and noticed /r/funny gets like 100 million less pageviews than it did in 2012 Jul 02 21:10:21 wondering if something changed or the subreddit was really not as popular anymore Jul 02 21:10:25 yes, that is true. i believe /r/funny did contract considerably. Jul 02 21:10:46 pics is fairly simiar, only down a little Jul 02 21:10:56 things also changed up when we added more defaults Jul 02 21:11:01 Well that was the plan Yeah? Jul 02 21:11:07 yeah, that was my guess Jul 02 21:11:15 lots more defaults to spread the traffic out Jul 02 21:11:16 More defaults = spread out traffic Jul 02 21:11:24 it worked! Jul 02 21:11:26 Woo +1 for me Yay Jul 02 21:11:49 More eggs in the basket is always good Jul 02 21:12:02 it actually gets a few million more uniques than 2012, but less overall pageviews Jul 02 21:12:09 how many subscribers does IAMA have? Jul 02 21:12:13 8 mill? Jul 02 21:12:28 yeah, somewhere over 8M Jul 02 21:12:31 http://redditmetrics.com/r/IAmA Jul 02 21:12:42 GuitarFreak: also consider mobile app traffic, which isn't factored in at all on subreddit traffic. Jul 02 21:12:49 ooo Jul 02 21:12:54 Oh, wow Jul 02 21:12:54 and folks have definitely been transitioning more to mobile over the years Jul 02 21:12:57 that's probably a big thing Jul 02 21:12:58 I didn't know that. Jul 02 21:13:05 mobile *web* traffic is tracked Jul 02 21:13:06 lots has changed in 3 years Jul 02 21:13:09 Wait what Jul 02 21:13:17 Mobile Traffic isn't counted? Jul 02 21:13:18 mobile *app* traffic is not (in subreddit traffic counts) Jul 02 21:13:20 alienth: but not API traffic? Jul 02 21:13:22 yea Jul 02 21:13:23 I assumed app traffic was counted Jul 02 21:13:30 That's nuts. Jul 02 21:13:31 app traffic is damn tricky Jul 02 21:13:32 that would explain a lot Jul 02 21:13:40 sounds like kind of a failing Jul 02 21:13:41 because a lot of it is difficult to differentiate from automated stuff Jul 02 21:13:48 * noeatnosleep is questioning his world Jul 02 21:13:54 and also there are some many different apps which have different pattersn Jul 02 21:13:56 By user-agent? Jul 02 21:14:05 and a 'pageview' doesn't really translate appropriately for some apps Jul 02 21:14:14 like, one app can make 5 api calls and show one screen Jul 02 21:14:20 while another makes a single API call for the same thing Jul 02 21:14:22 it is a nightmare. Jul 02 21:14:24 Dang. I had no idea. Jul 02 21:14:31 ugh, I can imagine Jul 02 21:15:15 huh, TIL Jul 02 21:15:21 alienth: how does RES affect traffic stats? Jul 02 21:15:43 blueshiftlabs: it does to some degree, due to never-ending reddit. i don't recall the exact impact. Jul 02 21:15:46 I would imagine it decreases it somewhat, because you don't have a page hit per listing Jul 02 21:15:57 i think RES actually started hitting the pixels at some point, tho Jul 02 21:16:05 it's a bit up in the air Jul 02 21:16:20 also the majority of visitors don't use RES Jul 02 21:16:24 seriously now /r/videos is private, those mods can go fuck themselfs Jul 02 21:16:25 so wasn't a major impact Jul 02 21:16:47 Hey no Jul 02 21:16:49 now* Jul 02 21:16:53 damn Jul 02 21:16:53 @PM whats wrong Jul 02 21:17:01 I mean Obliverator isn't good at LoL but... Jul 02 21:17:06 Die picflute Jul 02 21:17:07 fight fght fight Jul 02 21:17:27 Kappa Jul 02 21:17:30 can't use reddit because a hand full of mods are acting like children. Jul 02 21:17:31 But seriously Jul 02 21:17:33 your ezreal Jul 02 21:17:41 I voted against it Jul 02 21:17:43 that's what's wrong Jul 02 21:17:44 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ygr5AHufBN4 Jul 02 21:17:44 (alienth) There is no need to be upset - length 12m 17s - 28,105 likes, 414 dislikes (98.5%) - 1,751,738 views - Simen Martinussen on 2012.08.11 Jul 02 21:17:49 But I was over ruled Jul 02 21:17:51 thanks for the insight alienth :D I'm always interested in reddit traffic stuff Jul 02 21:18:11 whenever major drama flareups happened at reddit, i'd usually play that on my TV upstairs a few times. Jul 02 21:18:20 when i still worked there Jul 02 21:18:29 hahaha Jul 02 21:19:06 Wait, so the shut downs aren't unanimous among the mods? Jul 02 21:19:11 I assumed they were Jul 02 21:19:23 Xylan_Treesong: when is anything ever unanimous among mods :/ ? Jul 02 21:19:33 Voats down Jul 02 21:19:47 Most major changes in /r/NFL are unanimous Jul 02 21:19:48 Ofcourse it is Jul 02 21:20:02 Xylan_Treesong: nice, that's good to hear :) Jul 02 21:20:07 Obliviater: when is Voat *not* down? Jul 02 21:20:14 Lol Jul 02 21:20:45 Xylan_Treesong: it's unfortunate that football is the scourge of society. Jul 02 21:20:52 down with football, btw Jul 02 21:20:54 *cough* Jul 02 21:21:04 i need to be able to split screen this with my video games Jul 02 21:21:19 this is too good Jul 02 21:21:20 I'll never get why Voat used C# ASP Jul 02 21:21:22 what's going to be left on the defaults? Jul 02 21:21:25 /r/aww? Jul 02 21:21:27 @sarahbotts Jul 02 21:21:34 Xaviormendal took modtalk Jul 02 21:21:36 on voat Jul 02 21:21:39 how ironic Jul 02 21:21:41 KAPPA Jul 02 21:21:42 Football has 4 downs Jul 02 21:21:59 https://www.reddit.com/subreddits Jul 02 21:22:01 picflute: StackExchange is ASP.NET Jul 02 21:22:04 offer void in Canada Jul 02 21:22:15 Xylan_Treesong: ^ Jul 02 21:22:16 oh damn Jul 02 21:22:19 wait is this modtalk Jul 02 21:22:21 ASP C# sits nicely on azure Jul 02 21:22:29 oops don't mind that Jul 02 21:22:35 sarahbotts: yes, this is modtalk Jul 02 21:22:35 Hey /r/LoL is top 10 now Jul 02 21:22:47 LOL Jul 02 21:22:55 >.< Jul 02 21:22:58 this is shit it really is Jul 02 21:23:03 LOL Jul 02 21:23:04 thought it was defaultmods for a sec Jul 02 21:23:06 blueshiftlabs: Wait, Canada is real? I always assumed that was a myth. Jul 02 21:23:07 how do u look at top subs? Jul 02 21:23:12 https://www.reddit.com/subreddits Jul 02 21:23:15 picflute: how is the game doing, btw? still growing? Jul 02 21:23:20 Kidding. They're our friendly southern neighbours Jul 02 21:23:26 alienth it's bigger than ever right now Jul 02 21:23:31 mm Jul 02 21:23:41 i don't hate it, but i cannot bring myself to enjoy it. Jul 02 21:23:45 Iunno, I like it. I play a stupid amount of league though Jul 02 21:23:45 so i'm an outsider to that culture Jul 02 21:23:49 Guys, what do you think to the preamble? https://docs.google.com/document/d/1AmZVV7i0aWfDnzyrFlPVBRpl5SUojlhUvb5COElZIYU/edit Jul 02 21:23:58 starcraft is my game Jul 02 21:24:27 We're currently in the recovering phase in r/lol. They just cooled off after hating Riot for not having a new client. Jul 02 21:24:31 it's honestly a sunk cost though Jul 02 21:24:35 SlyRatchet: replace with "When in the course of human events, it becomes necessary for one people to dissolve the political bands which have connected them with another" Jul 02 21:24:52 There is a calculator for how much life you've spent playing league... and when you see the numbers it's not pretty Jul 02 21:25:09 sarahbotts: playing or having the client open? Jul 02 21:25:18 playing Jul 02 21:25:27 i have like 60 days play time on WoW, from the first couple years alone. haven't touched it in some time. Jul 02 21:25:29 it's calculated based on games (wins/losses) Jul 02 21:25:42 I think the game length is available through their api Jul 02 21:25:47 neat Jul 02 21:25:48 lol /r/4chan went private Jul 02 21:25:49 SlyRatchet: Make sure you've capitalised the "V" in "Victoria". Jul 02 21:25:53 rofl Jul 02 21:25:53 SlyRatchet, first sentence has redundancies Jul 02 21:25:56 either way you can estimate about 30-35 min per win or loss Jul 02 21:26:05 i want cj back Jul 02 21:26:07 i miss it Jul 02 21:26:22 XenoBen: braveryjerk is still up Jul 02 21:26:22 It has such a high learning curve, I was playing dota for a bit and it's just not worth putting in the time o learn another moba Jul 02 21:26:22 "the reason for the blackout was caused by" should either be the reason for the blackout was or the blackout was caused by Jul 02 21:26:25 though I do play hots Jul 02 21:26:31 Alienth sounds like a Marx quote or something Jul 02 21:26:56 Cylon editting, Locutus thanks! I won't let me dyslexia get in the way! Jul 02 21:27:05 what is DOTA? Jul 02 21:27:09 SlyRatchet: uhh.. that's the preamble of the Declaration of Independence... Jul 02 21:27:17 braveryjerk isnt the same though... Jul 02 21:27:17 ahaahahahaha Jul 02 21:27:19 its not cj Jul 02 21:27:21 err techinically it's dota2 Jul 02 21:27:32 i keep hearing about it, have absolutely no idea what it's about Jul 02 21:27:33 SlyRatchet accusing Thomas Jefferson of being Marxist! Jul 02 21:27:34 Ivashkin: Overgrown Warcraft 3 game mod with aspirations above its station. Pretty huge player base. Jul 02 21:27:34 Marx... Founding Fathers.... Same thing, right? Jul 02 21:27:37 defense of the ancients 2, it's a moba Jul 02 21:27:51 the irony is that league is based off of dota 2 :P Jul 02 21:28:01 so not a co-op zombie shooter? Jul 02 21:28:06 baron nashor, roshan amirite Jul 02 21:28:07 In my defence, I am British! It's half past two in the morning as well! Jul 02 21:28:10 sarahbotts: or rather, dota 2 and league were both based off dota 1 Jul 02 21:28:24 so hows bernie doing Jul 02 21:28:34 lol details Jul 02 21:28:39 SlyRatchet: ah, the redcoats! Jul 02 21:28:39 books is going as well Jul 02 21:28:49 !mods youdontsurf Jul 02 21:28:49 SlyRatchet: turn on bbc2 Jul 02 21:28:49 r/youdontsurf has 14 mods: minecraftfan123, Hamburgex, Motha_Effin_Kitty_Yo, Soul_Shot, ghostly175, _Taydolph_Swiftler_, x_minus_one, randoh12, elfa82, pyrowolf8, Jabberminor, Meowing_Cows, apocolyptictodd, and AutoModerator Jul 02 21:28:53 plz check modmail Jul 02 21:28:58 we're everywhere Jul 02 21:29:13 I love you don't surf Jul 02 21:29:16 something something tea sunday roast Jul 02 21:29:16 so funny Jul 02 21:29:25 crumpets something something Jul 02 21:29:28 cricket ol chaps Jul 02 21:29:32 sarahbotts, dota 1 happened, but in the time between 1 and 2, the gap was taken advantage of and they made lol Jul 02 21:29:38 yds was the second big sub I got modded to Jul 02 21:29:52 I'm gonna put a note in the bottom, in size 6 font, which says "also, supports the annexation of the USA into the United Kingdom as an overseas territory" and all the mods will have signed off their agreement ^_^ Jul 02 21:29:57 to take a brief and crude step back from today's mess, I do think it is amusing that y'all are working on this type of document 2 days before July 4th. Jul 02 21:30:16 why does the #darkening sound more racist than revolutionary? :P Jul 02 21:30:17 oh wow Jul 02 21:30:17 SlyRatchet: im all for pushing wales to the USA Jul 02 21:30:19 maybe this is all just an avant garde reenactment? Jul 02 21:30:20 ooh Jul 02 21:30:26 alienth good catch Jul 02 21:30:29 can we hold off on releasing it until Saturday? Jul 02 21:30:46 i now choose to believe that we're all simply trapped in a computer simulation and this is all a joke Jul 02 21:30:58 #AMAgeddon is better, props to that one dude in srd and the one dude who stole it from srd who i stole it from Jul 02 21:30:59 I'd actually completely forgotten Independence Day was upcoming. Now I feel the need to put in some more cool references... Would that spoil the mood? Jul 02 21:31:05 we are in skynets simulation Jul 02 21:31:14 In Reddit, July 4, 2015 Jul 02 21:31:19 Paging fellow mdoerator TheSkyNet Jul 02 21:31:44 he aint here Jul 02 21:31:56 The unanimous Declaration of the United Moderators of Reddit Jul 02 21:31:58 SlyRatchet: yep, today is the last workday for most, too. 3 day weekend (July 3rd is a federal holiday this yr since the 4th is a Sat) Jul 02 21:32:18 Aaand books is down Jul 02 21:32:23 rip Jul 02 21:32:23 ouch. Jul 02 21:32:26 no taxation, err, moderation without representation? Jul 02 21:32:30 LOL Jul 02 21:32:34 new slogan pls Jul 02 21:32:40 books has been burned, the censors have won! Jul 02 21:32:44 fuck it, i'm tempted to take /ukpolitics down Jul 02 21:33:05 That should so be the name of our moderators' union Jul 02 21:33:07 me irl: http://imgur.com/cUyEqy4 Jul 02 21:33:13 Ivashkin: do it Jul 02 21:33:20 most of the users on it are horrible anyway Jul 02 21:33:23 ooft Jul 02 21:33:29 yeah Jul 02 21:33:32 Sure it'd be a good idea? Jul 02 21:33:40 I mean, it'd just shunt traffic to /r/uk Jul 02 21:33:58 send them to /r/murica Jul 02 21:34:06 I think most of our users would be suprised to find other subs exist Jul 02 21:34:08 get this party started early Jul 02 21:34:18 fair observation. Jul 02 21:34:23 books is back up Jul 02 21:34:24 LOL Jul 02 21:34:25 wtf Jul 02 21:34:25 in other news the admins have found a wya to promote non-default subreddits! Jul 02 21:34:36 IN OTHER NEWS Jul 02 21:34:40 !karma allthefoxes Jul 02 21:34:40 allthefoxes has 48,024 link karma and 100,370 comment karma. Jul 02 21:34:42 I DID IT Jul 02 21:34:45 rofl multi-mod Jul 02 21:34:46 karma whoreeeeee Jul 02 21:34:46 welp, that was quick books Jul 02 21:34:58 to be non-silly for a moment: I'm kinda on the outside from all of the happenings. All I can do is encourage folks to think about what blackouts are working to accomplish. One thing I'm sure y'all are aware of is that the non-mod community is a party in this whole plot as well. The pendulum can easily shift when a mob is formed :/ Jul 02 21:34:58 They sure show'd em Jul 02 21:35:06 so, be careful, and think on things carefully i guess. Jul 02 21:35:17 Ivashkin: Probably a bad idea, though. I mean, ukpolitics mobs can be unpleasant. Jul 02 21:35:18 wish i could be of more help :( Jul 02 21:35:20 Honestly Jul 02 21:35:22 You might end up the target. =\ Jul 02 21:35:22 yeah...mobs are scary Jul 02 21:35:25 alienth, yeah, thats true..but..i mean, what else do we do? Keep whining? Thats gotten us..mm..no where in the last how many years? Jul 02 21:35:27 I just want things to change in some way Jul 02 21:35:34 especially when they're against you Jul 02 21:35:35 Yeah. What's really annoying me is that there is no way to communicate what is happening to the general public Jul 02 21:35:41 we learned that the hard way in league Jul 02 21:35:55 I mean, our options are: A. Deal with it Jul 02 21:35:55 another mod complaint, we can't block twats from modmail Jul 02 21:35:57 B. Keep whining Jul 02 21:36:00 C. Do something Jul 02 21:36:05 yes modmail block Jul 02 21:36:06 damnit books, I couldn't even finish sining the refrain "we shall overco..." before you went public again Jul 02 21:36:08 stop spammers Jul 02 21:36:09 And for C. the options are pretty limited Jul 02 21:36:10 modmail block please Jul 02 21:36:15 Dear god, modmail block Jul 02 21:36:19 also something like if a person is spamming a message fucking don't let them do that Jul 02 21:36:26 We can't just do a mass sticky post Jul 02 21:36:27 Good idea! putting that into the declaration of independence Jul 02 21:36:31 I DEMAND MODMAIL BLOCKS, OR NEARLYTRUESTORY WILL GO PRIVATE Jul 02 21:36:31 look how well reddit 101 went Jul 02 21:36:37 books is back Jul 02 21:36:39 :( Jul 02 21:36:40 (Hint, it went terrible) Jul 02 21:36:52 I banned a user, they PM'd me ever 5 mins for 18 hours Jul 02 21:36:54 We're still getting modmails from one of /u/bulldog312's blizzard of alts, months later. It's more funny than anything else, but it doesn't half get tiresome with some users. Jul 02 21:36:54 I thought reddit 101 was supposed to have gone well outside of /r/europe? Jul 02 21:36:59 not really Jul 02 21:37:00 18 hours! Jul 02 21:37:04 ... Jul 02 21:37:05 :| Jul 02 21:37:06 it got a 51% score on /r/pics Jul 02 21:37:16 We got a user once who set up a script which mailed us the entire works of shakespeare Jul 02 21:37:21 I was quite enjoying it TBF Jul 02 21:37:26 allthefoxes: i hear ya, and i believe the reddit team is also aware that anything that is said is not worth much right now, because things have been being said for a long time. so, both sides of the argument are kinda at an impasse. i think the only thing that would appease the situation would be for action to be taken, but you won't see action on things like features without considerable lag time. Jul 02 21:37:47 Yeah, you are right Jul 02 21:38:04 https://www.reddit.com/r/books/comments/3bxv9i/when_this_post_is_15_minutes_old_rbooks_will_go/ Jul 02 21:38:04 (blueshiftlabs) When this post is 15 minutes old, /r/books will go private for a day. : books - 9 comments, 26 points - DaedalusMinion, 3m ago Jul 02 21:38:07 tiem will tell the outcome, i suppose :/ Jul 02 21:38:14 Though Alexis's statements have been more detrimental than helpful imo Jul 02 21:38:16 but there is time for Reddit Dollars or whatever it was called? Jul 02 21:38:25 alienth, just personally, I'm really fed up. There is literally just..i mean, you know man Jul 02 21:38:30 how long this has been going on Jul 02 21:38:30 Ivashkin: that project was shelved. Jul 02 21:38:34 Ivashkin: that guy got canned for a reason Jul 02 21:38:37 Ivashkin: as was announced Jul 02 21:38:44 snoogaming died pretty quick Jul 02 21:38:46 I could write a 30 volume works of all the reddit communication fuckup Jul 02 21:38:48 I missed that bit Jul 02 21:39:01 redditmade died too Jul 02 21:39:09 but still, someone at one point thought "this is a good idea, lets spend time on it" Jul 02 21:39:28 I'd add in, from what I've seen so far, non-mods don't seem to have a great idea of what is really wrong Jul 02 21:39:38 people need to keep linking OOTL Jul 02 21:39:58 Muh karma Jul 02 21:40:07 very few people understand all of what's going on, and most of them are in this channel Jul 02 21:40:07 Xylan_Treesong has a good point. Jul 02 21:40:34 you know what would be cool Jul 02 21:40:43 the remove button in modmail doing something Jul 02 21:40:46 also lol https://www.allthefoxes.me/img/40-ZKOEFysc.png Jul 02 21:40:49 We should just do a version of reddit 101 across the site ASAP. It was hated then, but at least now it is transmitting useful information Jul 02 21:42:37 ^ this, people need to understand WTF is going on Jul 02 21:42:43 We need something like SlyRatchet's points. But, they'd have to be succinct - and it'd best be phrased in a way that emphasises that we'd just like to be able to do our jobs better to make the subreddits we mod better experiences for everyone. I mean, obviously that'll get the SRC/KiA/ad nauseum lot whinging- but if it's a commonly held set of positions Jul 02 21:42:43 explained to users well enough, people would probably be fine with a day or so of disruption. Jul 02 21:42:44 and, more importantly, *nhy* Jul 02 21:42:50 s/nhy/why/ Jul 02 21:42:50 Correction, and, more importantly, *why* Jul 02 21:43:44 Yeah, I feel like my thing is too long Jul 02 21:43:53 i wonder how long before Reddit considers taking possession of the defaults Jul 02 21:43:55 throw a meme in Jul 02 21:44:07 I've written a pre-amble explaining why, but I don't feel as though ti really hits home (link again to save people scrolling up https://docs.google.com/document/d/1AmZVV7i0aWfDnzyrFlPVBRpl5SUojlhUvb5COElZIYU/edit) Jul 02 21:44:37 I think it'll be a couple of days before they seriously consider it, but I think it'll be desperate if they do. They know that those subreddits are useless without mods Jul 02 21:44:49 It'd be like having a factory, but nobody who knows how to use it Jul 02 21:45:06 SlyRatchet: if they do, that will mostlikely kill reddit as we know it Jul 02 21:45:42 i think the mods will reopen the subs before the admins ASSUME DIRECT CONTROL Jul 02 21:45:56 The threat of it would be enough Jul 02 21:46:04 not really Jul 02 21:46:10 but if they do, i really hope at least someone in the reddit office is yelling ASSUMING DIRECT CONTROL the entire time Jul 02 21:46:14 apparently beyond getting shadowbanned, go1dfish got locked out of his account by the admins - warning /r/undelete link - https://np.reddit.com/r/undelete/comments/3bthjp/reddit_free_speech_advocate_ugo1dfish_has_been/ Jul 02 21:46:14 (L_Cranston_Shadow) Reddit free speech advocate /u/go1dfish has been "chucked". His... : undelete - 31 comments, 139 points - AssuredlyAThrowAway, 1d ago Jul 02 21:46:27 hry Jul 02 21:46:28 Hm Jul 02 21:46:32 Cylon: as they hand out the shadowbans, they say "THIS HURTS YOU" Jul 02 21:46:34 are you guys thinking about going dark? Jul 02 21:46:39 This is what I say: Jul 02 21:46:40 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nuHfVn_cfHU Jul 02 21:46:40 (allthefoxes) Shia LaBeouf delivers the most intense motivational speech of all-time - length 1m 5s - 219,168 likes, 4,296 dislikes (98.1%) - 14,681,867 views - Mike Mohamed on 2015.05.27 Jul 02 21:46:49 dammit gonzobot Jul 02 21:47:15 spoilers! Jul 02 21:47:44 I also wonder at what point the admins will revolt against management Jul 02 21:48:04 there has to be a line where they are told to do something and will decide not to do it Jul 02 21:48:17 the line was 'move to SF' Jul 02 21:48:56 Ivashkin: most of the time i was there the leadership folks felt like part of the team. definitely had disagreements, but in general we 'struggled together' Jul 02 21:49:09 #racetogether Jul 02 21:49:44 I've been in situations where I was given ordered I really disagreed with, no idea what working in reddit is like though Jul 02 21:49:49 also, i think most people would rather probably just leave rather than deal with the stress of fighting management. the stress isn't worth it. Jul 02 21:49:50 wow Jul 02 21:50:00 you know what I just thought of Jul 02 21:50:08 reddit is losing a shit ton of revenue right now Jul 02 21:50:09 What Jul 02 21:50:11 all that askreddit gold Jul 02 21:50:14 SlyRatchet: I'm not sure the ultimatum in the preamble is a good idea Jul 02 21:50:21 Ivashkin: in this scenario it is a relatively tight-knit group of folks. i mean, there are like 60 people. Jul 02 21:50:26 Or its saving money on bandwidth Jul 02 21:50:28 We don't have much to bring to bear Jul 02 21:50:32 plex got haxored Jul 02 21:50:36 wow stop being an optimist dude Jul 02 21:50:38 allthefoxes, that's alright. They still have their #2 and #3 subs, /r/funny and /r/etiquette Jul 02 21:50:45 dunbars number Jul 02 21:50:53 allthefoxes: gold was still a rather small part of overall revenue. Jul 02 21:51:03 i'm sure it will be missed if it dropped and stays low Jul 02 21:51:06 Yeah I'm not 100 about it either locutus. I mean, it's kind of implied Jul 02 21:51:09 ads dont show on :this sub is private" pages ^ : ) Jul 02 21:51:13 Perhaps phrasing it in terms of its being a protest to draw attention to the problem might be better, SlyRatchet? I mean, we risk being too confrontational. Jul 02 21:51:18 oh i messed my sarcastic smiley up Jul 02 21:51:24 SlyRatchet, is it you who is working on that Google Doc? Jul 02 21:51:44 allthefoxes: yeah, i'm sure a bunch of ad campaigns are in a mess now, because subreddits can be targeted. Jul 02 21:51:50 https://www.reddit.com/r/DearYishan/comments/3bwxhh/dear_yishan_can_we_get_victoria_back/csqjf3f Jul 02 21:51:51 (GodOfAtheism) Dear Yishan, can we get victoria back? : DearYishan - 16 comments, 70 points - theferdog, 5h ago Jul 02 21:51:53 lel Jul 02 21:51:55 groan Jul 02 21:51:56 Locutus Definitely! I was trying to strike a "our working conditions are SHIt" tone but it accidentally came out too angry Jul 02 21:52:00 TheMentalis yes Jul 02 21:52:04 t'is I Jul 02 21:52:09 Could I have a link to it again, I closed it :'( Jul 02 21:52:14 SlyRatchet: Totally with you. Hm Jul 02 21:52:23 Hopefully it's changed from last time I read it, but it looked in danger of being an /r/conspiracy-esque post last time I saw it Jul 02 21:52:28 I think the way we need to phrase it Jul 02 21:52:39 https://docs.google.com/document/d/1AmZVV7i0aWfDnzyrFlPVBRpl5SUojlhUvb5COElZIYU/edit Jul 02 21:52:42 music is RIP soon also Jul 02 21:52:44 is that we're going on strike Jul 02 21:52:45 music just went private Jul 02 21:53:12 wow SlyRatchet thats cringey, honestly Jul 02 21:53:18 blueshiftlabs yeah that's how I'm trying to phrase it. But it's hard to phrase it as being a strike, without sounding confrontational. I think phrasing it as awareness is better Jul 02 21:53:29 blueshiftlabs: if it was purely a strike, the community would probably demand that scabs be let in to take on the subreddits. Jul 02 21:53:39 SlyRatchet, this is pretty much all there is to it: https://www.reddit.com/r/defaultmods/comments/3bxt8q/whats_it_going_to_take_to_end_this_blackout/csqjaa0 Jul 02 21:53:46 Dont need to make it any more than that Jul 02 21:54:01 allthefoxes: what's that say? Jul 02 21:54:03 SlyRatchet, can I suggest cutting this down dramatically? Jul 02 21:54:04 Let's not make it a strike thing Jul 02 21:54:11 allthefoxes, we're only geo-default mods :( Jul 02 21:54:11 As per allthefoxes' comment, yes Jul 02 21:54:13 yeah SlyRatchet thats way too long, and just reads badly Jul 02 21:54:30 A) less dramatic B) shorter Jul 02 21:54:45 Also, PiratePad or something collaborative might be better, SlyRatchet :) Jul 02 21:54:46 music went private Jul 02 21:55:04 If we are to add a preamble/explanation thing, I think it might be phrased in terms of something like "We love this site, and want it to succeed- but we're struggling to do the job with the tools at hand". Bit cloying, but it's not altogether unfair Jul 02 21:55:10 also, in my defence: I knew it was bad as I wrote it. I figured I should write whatever way came first, and then improve on it. You can imagine whatever's in your head but it's useless until you put finger to keyboard Jul 02 21:55:14 All that needs to be said is basically: "A lot of subreddits are going private because they are tired of the lack of communication and semi disregard of the people who help run this site, all on thier free time, moderatrs" Jul 02 21:55:19 That's fair enough^ Jul 02 21:55:28 one angle I would say is important to communicate to users is that bad mod tools and lack of admin help forces mods to moderate more aggressively than they would like to Jul 02 21:55:34 "Victoria leaving reddit was a simple "straw that broke the camels back"" Jul 02 21:55:35 The admins give us the mushroom treatment. They keep us in the dark and feed us shit. Jul 02 21:55:39 kek Jul 02 21:55:43 allthefoxes: I think that's a one-step guaranteed way to turn the users against us. Jul 02 21:56:04 You know how you really turn them against us? Writing silly, long, documents and calling them declarations Jul 02 21:56:11 that makes us look like idiots with a power trip Jul 02 21:56:14 Is it just me or did IAMA screw up by relying entirely on Victoria? Jul 02 21:56:16 It implies that we're somehow entitled to drag our communities along with us on this - it's not for our benefit, it's for theirs. Jul 02 21:56:19 Yeah Jul 02 21:56:31 Ive been getting nothing but positive comments and support from my comments I left today Jul 02 21:56:35 need some dank memes on frontpage Jul 02 21:56:39 I can understand having an internal line to the admins when something goes wrong, but the other things they’re saying that she did, like scheduling and setup, could just as easily been done through the mods Jul 02 21:56:41 Not disagreeing- but I think making it positive is essential Jul 02 21:56:45 .gis dankest of the dank Jul 02 21:56:45 (XenoBen) http://i.imgur.com/T10n8ly.jpg Jul 02 21:56:48 This is what I said: Jul 02 21:56:49 I want to make it a bit more clear that many moderators, Myself included, are saying this isn't t just about Victoria. Jul 02 21:56:49 I love Victoria. She was a great admin. But she's not with reddit and we have to deal with that. Nothing to be done Jul 02 21:56:49 What people are upset about is the clear lack of communication and the almost disregard of the thousands of people who help keep this site running, all with their free time. Jul 02 21:56:50 A lot of people are saying "well they are throwing a temper tantrum, shutting down the subreddits isn't the right call" Jul 02 21:56:53 Well, what would you do? Talk to them? We've been trying that for years. Jul 02 21:57:15 btw guys, if you want to make sure I read something, put my name in it or leave it as a comment on the document. I cant write and keep up with how fast you guys are talking Jul 02 21:57:26 Trust me, dont make some declaration Jul 02 21:57:30 I'm basically begging you guys Jul 02 21:57:39 If you want people to understand, link them to the ootl top post Jul 02 21:57:42 .gis shatter wax Jul 02 21:57:43 (kwiztas) https://www.coloradopotguide.com/media/1024/shatter_300x211.jpg Jul 02 21:57:44 thats all that needs to be done Jul 02 21:58:05 making ourselves seem bigger than what we really, are, like we are above users, calling it a declatration, and making it more that a pragraph long Jul 02 21:58:11 Agreed Jul 02 21:58:13 will make us look like entitled asses Jul 02 21:58:15 +1 Jul 02 21:58:16 Agreed. Jul 02 21:58:21 agreed Jul 02 21:58:24 but me subs Jul 02 21:58:29 I'm making it very short Jul 02 21:58:30 Though I think something supplementary to the OOTL post is necessary Jul 02 21:58:33 Really Jul 02 21:58:40 If you want people to understand, the best thing you can do is link to ootl Jul 02 21:58:45 Just giving a bit of context, with an outright positive spin Jul 02 21:58:49 what the hell is going on o.O Jul 02 21:58:49 thats fine Jul 02 21:58:58 why are so many subs down right now? Jul 02 21:59:04 because memes Jul 02 21:59:04 but dont call it some declaration, and try to keep it at a paragraph maybe 2 Jul 02 21:59:08 Trauermarsch: Check SRD Jul 02 21:59:12 Trauermarsch: you've missed quite a lot Jul 02 21:59:15 jesus Jul 02 21:59:18 Trauermarsch, some dank memes melted steal communications Jul 02 21:59:21 Why does everything happen Jul 02 21:59:24 LOL Jul 02 21:59:24 allthefoxes, many mods agree with you I think, but correct me if I’m wrong, not the three that really matter (/r/history, /r/science, and /r/iama), all of whom are really hurt by losing Victoria. Even if it isn’t about Victoria, it seems about the fact that there was no advance notice or fallback to catch their AMAs, which might as well be the same thing. Jul 02 21:59:26 when I have little to no internet access :( Jul 02 21:59:27 .gis dankest of the dank Jul 02 21:59:27 omg Trauermarsch Jul 02 21:59:27 (XenoBen) https://i.imgur.com/pH1K1OM.jpg Jul 02 21:59:37 L_Cranston_Shadow, you are correct Jul 02 21:59:37 tl;dr Victoria got fired, no one in IAmA knew about it, shit hits fan Jul 02 21:59:38 .gis dank wax Jul 02 21:59:39 (kwiztas) http://38.media.tumblr.com/d46b2b610f5a0d05cc9a8a8ca7e3520b/tumblr_n7yjt0Xp5x1r487l7o1_500.jpg Jul 02 21:59:42 Victoria? Jul 02 21:59:43 and that all comes down to an issue of communication Jul 02 21:59:47 /u/chooter Jul 02 21:59:50 Oh the one who transcribes Jul 02 21:59:53 yep Jul 02 21:59:53 the nice lady that did Iamas with famous people Jul 02 21:59:54 And tells celebs how to reddit Jul 02 22:00:01 that's the one Jul 02 22:00:06 she did lammas? Jul 02 22:00:10 well no shit they didn't communicate, admins aren't known for doing that Jul 02 22:00:15 Trauermarsch, https://www.reddit.com/r/SubredditDrama/comments/3bxjyu/list_of_subreddits_suddenly_going_private/ Jul 02 22:00:16 but wow Jul 02 22:00:16 (kwiztas) List of subreddits suddenly going private : SubredditDrama - 1,201 comments, 1,271 points - Diotic, 2h ago Jul 02 22:00:17 blueshiftlabs, that is partially their fault for coming to rely on her too much, and arguably with unecessary things that they could have done themselves Jul 02 22:00:20 isn't she like, a major part of IAMA? Jul 02 22:00:21 SlyRatchet, oh and dont call it a declaeation Jul 02 22:00:24 Trauermarsch, yes Jul 02 22:00:24 was she fired, or did she just leave? i haven't chatted with her, but I hadn't seen anything concrete one way or the other. Jul 02 22:00:32 we dont' know Jul 02 22:00:33 mm Jul 02 22:00:35 Is there like, a mod-sub post about it? Jul 02 22:00:43 alienth, no one knows for sure, but, it was very abrupt if she left Jul 02 22:00:43 ok guys Key points A) the dismissal of Victoria is the STRAW THAT BROKE THE CAMEL'S BACK B) REddit's lack of communication and lack of tools makes our moderation bad. C) We love the site but we have to mod aggressively because our tools are bad D) we're doing this to make things better because the admins are ignoring the moderators and therefore ig Jul 02 22:00:43 noring the deteriorating quality of our tools Jul 02 22:00:46 SRD is somewhat less involved in this Jul 02 22:00:46 tho i have seen things to say she didn't quit Jul 02 22:00:48 She did not voluntarily leave. She was apparently completely blindsided by it. Jul 02 22:00:48 can't say where Jul 02 22:00:50 I'd like mod views etc Jul 02 22:00:58 unless it was an emergency alienth, no way she wouldnt have closed ties Jul 02 22:01:01 alienth, some people were saying that she was fired, but there’s a huge lack of proof anywhere. She left, everything beyond that is speculation and odds are it will remain that way Jul 02 22:01:02 L_Cranston_Shadow: IAmA is an unusual case - reddit have made it part of their core business, effectively, but not exercised control over it. Jul 02 22:01:09 Trauermarsch, that just has the list of subs that are down Jul 02 22:01:09 also, the declaration was a joke because of the 4th of jly Jul 02 22:01:11 neither she nor reddit gain by commenting on her leaving Jul 02 22:01:15 "completely blindside" bullshit Jul 02 22:01:15 Ah Jul 02 22:01:26 I didn't want to type them out Jul 02 22:01:27 PM, how was it not Jul 02 22:01:32 allthefoxes: eh, i won't assume anything i guess. all that is known is that she is gone. Jul 02 22:01:35 yes Jul 02 22:01:36 for sure Jul 02 22:01:40 redtaboo: cats++ Jul 02 22:01:48 woooooooooooooo Jul 02 22:02:10 chooter++ Jul 02 22:02:20 SlyRatchet: Liking the key points. Jul 02 22:02:21 you don't get fired this way, and are complete blindside. Jul 02 22:02:27 chooter++ Jul 02 22:02:29 well at least OOTL isn't down Jul 02 22:02:40 toolbox++ Jul 02 22:02:58 more like toolbox += 5 Jul 02 22:03:20 kebab++ Jul 02 22:04:23 the AMAgedon is starting to make the news now Jul 02 22:04:32 MillenniumFalc0n sux Jul 02 22:04:46 !kick Cylon get the fuck out Jul 02 22:04:46 <-- ButtServ has kicked Cylon from #modtalk (get the fuck out (MillenniumFalc0n)) Jul 02 22:05:09 wrath of mod Jul 02 22:05:22 Jeez. That silenced everybody. Jul 02 22:05:41 shame shame Jul 02 22:05:56 i support the removal of cylon from everywhere Jul 02 22:06:01 * redtaboo sits on Cylon Jul 02 22:06:05 can we use the airlock? Jul 02 22:06:06 music, LPT, docu's all just went down Jul 02 22:06:10 fak Jul 02 22:06:13 * spiders crawl all over you Jul 02 22:06:18 * redtaboo steps on spiders Jul 02 22:06:22 * spiders die Jul 02 22:06:27 yay! Jul 02 22:06:46 https://i.imgur.com/lb80Mnz.png Jul 02 22:07:00 cylon, what are those corner spiders called Jul 02 22:07:08 ones that chill in a corner of a room Jul 02 22:07:10 pholcus phalangiodes Jul 02 22:07:12 then disappear the next day Jul 02 22:07:18 XenoBen: they're called NOOOOOOPE Jul 02 22:07:32 what do they do Jul 02 22:08:03 you mean these guys? http://bugguide.net/node/view/1037340/bgimage Jul 02 22:08:09 stop Jul 02 22:08:10 why Jul 02 22:08:12 MillenniumFalc0n: i guess this is a good month for SRD Jul 02 22:08:27 there's just something about June Jul 02 22:08:31 YE Jul 02 22:08:34 whoops caps Jul 02 22:08:35 it's July now Jul 02 22:08:40 or depending on where you live maybe you're talking about tegenaria domesticas Jul 02 22:08:41 alienth: honestly it is a fucking pain in the ass for us to deal with this extra traffic and the hordes of people who don’t know our rules Jul 02 22:08:43 Modth of July Jul 02 22:08:49 eh, may may june drama from last year spilled into july right? Jul 02 22:08:56 I think so Jul 02 22:09:00 XenoBen, they're fantastic hunters Jul 02 22:09:00 Okay Jul 02 22:09:01 So Jul 02 22:09:05 first one spiders Jul 02 22:09:08 may may 2015 Jul 02 22:09:08 Yea it did Jul 02 22:09:09 I've been away from everything today Jul 02 22:09:10 they even catch other spiders Jul 02 22:09:17 And I come back Jul 02 22:09:18 long legs, really small bodies Jul 02 22:09:19 they've been known to prey on brown recluses Jul 02 22:09:25 And LNM is talking about going dark Jul 02 22:09:26 stopscopiesme: mm... sounds like a reason to go private! Jul 02 22:09:31 ;) Jul 02 22:09:34 And Victoria was fired Jul 02 22:09:39 WHAT IS GOING ON Jul 02 22:09:46 i never see them do anything, just chill Jul 02 22:09:49 hahahaha, I wonder what other poor subreddit would get flooded if we went private. r/outoftheloop? Jul 02 22:09:51 but then there would be an expose on subredditcancer about how we're int he admin's pockets Jul 02 22:09:52 stopscopiesme: i've always appreciated SRD's general ability to see drama for what it is (in most cases) Jul 02 22:09:57 and who wants to give them more ammunition Jul 02 22:09:59 well yeah that's what they do Jul 02 22:10:01 they sit Jul 02 22:10:05 and their webs catch stuff Jul 02 22:10:19 i'm sat at 3AM looking at pictures of spiders Jul 02 22:10:24 what has gone wrong with my life Jul 02 22:10:25 i dont like the big house spiders Jul 02 22:10:26 .mods stopscopiesme Jul 02 22:10:26 (werner__herzog) Sorry r/stopscopiesme is set to private and I cannot access it. Jul 02 22:10:34 Locutus Don't dis it. This is a wonderful time to be alive Jul 02 22:10:35 @mods stopscopiesme Jul 02 22:10:35 (werner__herzog) Sorry r/stopscopiesme is set to private and I cannot access it. Jul 02 22:10:40 I had to remove like 20 shitposts today about the situation. when there’s metadrama we like people to make writeups instead of just fucking linking to private subreddits. it preserves the drama better Jul 02 22:10:40 ... Jul 02 22:10:41 @mods stopscopiesmesux Jul 02 22:10:41 (MillenniumFalc0n) r/stopscopiesmesux mod Jul 02 22:10:49 wat Jul 02 22:11:03 stopscopiesme: we have already 35k people in the sub right now Jul 02 22:11:09 stopcopiesme https://www.reddit.com/message/messages/3pc3di Jul 02 22:11:15 stopscopiesme: though I do feel pretty bad that our top ranked post has a pretty serious error in the title Jul 02 22:11:15 XenoBen, by house spiders you mean these guys? http://bugguide.net/node/view/1058702/bgimage Jul 02 22:11:16 * MillenniumFalc0n sad face Jul 02 22:11:18 our stickie is #1 on r/all Jul 02 22:11:29 oh my God, your modqueue must be awful Jul 02 22:11:29 yeeeee Jul 02 22:11:34 You nerds wanna see our traffic in /r/OOTL? lol Jul 02 22:11:37 completely harmless Jul 02 22:11:39 The numbers are really funny Jul 02 22:11:40 AM is taking care of it Jul 02 22:11:44 they are really fast though Jul 02 22:11:46 Obliviater: how bad? Jul 02 22:11:46 !readers outoftheloop Jul 02 22:11:46 r/outoftheloop has 250,910 readers Jul 02 22:11:47 like really fast Jul 02 22:11:47 yes! Jul 02 22:11:51 !readers subredditdrama Jul 02 22:11:51 r/subredditdrama has 183,990 readers Jul 02 22:11:52 OOTL vs SRD, battle to the death Jul 02 22:11:53 just the occasional angry mail Jul 02 22:11:53 god damn it Jul 02 22:11:55 i guess you're from the west coast? Jul 02 22:12:00 im uk Jul 02 22:12:01 * MillenniumFalc0n slaps outoftheloop around a bit with a large trout Jul 02 22:12:03 ohhhhh Jul 02 22:12:05 http://i.imgur.com/Y82juTs.png Jul 02 22:12:08 yeah, they're transplants Jul 02 22:12:09 LETS DANCE Jul 02 22:12:12 .l Jul 02 22:12:13 (allthefoxes) allthefoxes is listening to "Find That Someone (feat. Richard Judge)" by Televisor http://is.gd/nK0vcG. Jul 02 22:12:17 really heavy in our pacific northwest Jul 02 22:12:20 r/videos going private, ouch Jul 02 22:12:25 * allthefoxes 0-|-< Jul 02 22:12:26 Maybe it's just me liking r/videos Jul 02 22:12:29 Obliviater: jfc Jul 02 22:12:34 * allthefoxes 0-/-< Jul 02 22:12:40 * allthefoxes 0-\-< Jul 02 22:12:52 Yeah that kinda sucks @cosmickeys Jul 02 22:13:08 whoa MillenniumFalc0n over 13k readers in SRD Jul 02 22:13:09 allthefoxes: someday, I'll be rich and famous when I invent a device that lets you stab people over the Internet. Jul 02 22:13:17 no wonder modqueue has been such shit Jul 02 22:13:30 your references are out off control dude Jul 02 22:13:31 wow Jul 02 22:13:47 POkay Jul 02 22:13:47 guys Jul 02 22:13:50 how about this https://docs.google.com/document/d/1AmZVV7i0aWfDnzyrFlPVBRpl5SUojlhUvb5COElZIYU/edit Jul 02 22:14:00 SlyRatchet, needs more spiders Jul 02 22:14:03 :spider: Jul 02 22:14:20 spiders: what are the spiders that are only really outside, small circle bodies and 7ish legs. just spread out on a wall Jul 02 22:14:23 blueshiftlabs, wouldn't the stabee have to also buy the device? Jul 02 22:14:24 You can sign your username at the bottom when it's done, then it will have precisely one spider Jul 02 22:14:34 allthefoxes: cool song though Jul 02 22:14:36 um Jul 02 22:14:37 that is poorely written Jul 02 22:14:42 yeah Jul 02 22:14:44 not signing that shit Jul 02 22:14:48 and phrasing it as a list of demands is absurd Jul 02 22:14:49 like corner spiders Jul 02 22:14:50 sorry for calling it shit Jul 02 22:14:52 but Jul 02 22:14:53 yeah Jul 02 22:15:01 definitely not Jul 02 22:15:06 what's wrong with it now? Jul 02 22:15:07 list of demands? Jul 02 22:15:07 I didn’t think it was that bad Jul 02 22:15:14 firstly Jul 02 22:15:14 It's shorter and less dramatic Jul 02 22:15:15 the *last* thing we want people to think Jul 02 22:15:15 XenoBen, i'm better with north american spiders Jul 02 22:15:19 stop calling it a freking declaration Jul 02 22:15:20 Word of the day is: "Solidarity" Jul 02 22:15:21 is that we're taking our subs hostage Jul 02 22:15:24 it doesnt need a preamble Jul 02 22:15:27 it doesnt need that Jul 02 22:15:30 spiders: pls Jul 02 22:15:32 we dont need to list our demands Jul 02 22:15:32 I'm more of the occupy wallstreet camp, just watch the world burn Jul 02 22:15:35 everything is wrong with it Jul 02 22:15:35 any of that Jul 02 22:15:40 I like it SlyRatchet Jul 02 22:15:42 allthefoxes is pretty on it though Jul 02 22:15:42 Nty FOREVER Jul 02 22:15:49 The "demands" have nbeen pretty clear in defaultmods Jul 02 22:15:52 we should ask for a million dollars and a helicopter while we're at it. Jul 02 22:15:54 @yt solidarity forever Jul 02 22:15:55 (SolarAquarion) Solidarity Forever (Pete Seeger) - length 3m - 1,317 likes, 48 dislikes (96.5%) - 217,626 views - EmberNews on 2010.12.03 - http://youtu.be/pCnEAH5wCzo Jul 02 22:16:01 We need better communication and some promise of modtools in the future Jul 02 22:16:02 TIL down Jul 02 22:16:07 really just better communication Jul 02 22:16:12 ^ Jul 02 22:16:13 ^ Jul 02 22:16:13 SlyRatchet: I'd just remove the recommendations, they already know what we want Jul 02 22:16:13 ^ Jul 02 22:16:13 .gis outdoor wall spider uk Jul 02 22:16:14 thats literally all there is to it right now Jul 02 22:16:14 (XenoBen) http://i.stack.imgur.com/ghasV.jpg Jul 02 22:16:19 forever indeed Jul 02 22:16:23 @g lyrics solidarity forever Jul 02 22:16:24 (SolarAquarion) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Solidarity_Forever -- Solidarity Forever - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: "Lyrics[edit]. When the union's inspiration through the workers' blood shall run,: There can be no power greater anywhere beneath the sun; ..." Jul 02 22:16:29 nope Jul 02 22:16:31 blueshiftlabs, listen to this: Jul 02 22:16:32 .l Jul 02 22:16:33 (allthefoxes) allthefoxes is listening to "The Difference Between Us and the Aliens" by Stephen Walking http://is.gd/cNKnoM. Jul 02 22:16:54 legs all spread out, not in a web, just sitting on a wall? Jul 02 22:16:57 if you guys post that acting like it represents all the moderators of reddit you're actually assholes Jul 02 22:17:02 A) I think it needs a preamble because we need to explain to people what we're doing and why. B) I think we need a list of recommendations which can actually be fulfilled because otherwise there's no unified vision. Sure, they have *general* ideas, but nothing concrete Jul 02 22:17:04 yhe Jul 02 22:17:05 that makes mods look terrible and whiny Jul 02 22:17:14 a strange spider/bug thing Jul 02 22:17:19 "The unanimous Declaration of the United Moderators of Reddit " Jul 02 22:17:19 Are there any AskReddit or IAmA mods online on here, please? Jul 02 22:17:21 I'm not doing that. I'm hoping to send it round to people for approval Jul 02 22:17:27 i actually can't tell if you're trolling or not with that title Jul 02 22:17:28 Oh gosh that was a joke! Jul 02 22:17:30 .mods askreddit Jul 02 22:17:30 Im removing it Jul 02 22:17:30 (Obliviater) Sorry r/askreddit is set to private and I cannot access it. Jul 02 22:17:33 erp Jul 02 22:17:37 I forgot that doesn't work Jul 02 22:17:51 If you're going to actually post it, you should have a list of co-signing moderators or subs at the bottom Jul 02 22:17:52 There. Gone Jul 02 22:18:00 some sort of dolomedes? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dolomedes Jul 02 22:18:05 xylan_Treesong that's exactly the idea!!! Jul 02 22:18:06 !mods outoftheloop Jul 02 22:18:06 r/outoftheloop has 25 mods: MrWittyResponse, AdvocateForLucifer, T_Dumbsford, tara1, Rountree1, livefreeordont, ManWithoutModem, K_Lobstah, vxx, Kijafa, Diptura, pyrowolf8, I_Miss_Claire, splattypus, Werner__Herzog, ZMush, PanicOnFunkotron, TortoiseSex, RicoVig, DERPYBASTARD, cupcake1713, OBLIVIATER, cat_sweaterz, loyalcynic, and Gilgamesh- Jul 02 22:18:07 allthefoxes: found something to add to the list of things I listen to at work Jul 02 22:18:09 i can't think of anything with 7 legs though Jul 02 22:18:10 please pao this guy: https://www.reddit.com/r/OutOfTheLoop/comments/3bxduw/why_was_riama_along_with_a_number_of_other_large/csqkspo Jul 02 22:18:11 (allthefoxes) Why was /r/IAmA, along with a number of other large subreddits, made... : OutOfTheLoop - 1,956 comments, 5,412 points - Gilgamesh-, 3h ago Jul 02 22:18:15 hes harassing me Jul 02 22:18:16 my advice would be make it entirely all concrete suggestions Jul 02 22:18:19 spiders: http://pics.davesgarden.com/pics/2010/09/05/Marz2292/473579.jpg Jul 02 22:18:21 like that Jul 02 22:18:29 oh Jul 02 22:18:34 Uh Jul 02 22:18:34 that's an opilionid Jul 02 22:18:38 one sec @allthefoxes Jul 02 22:18:39 Okay. I'm only about half here, so ignore me if I'm repeating. The reason not to is that otherwise mods have to pick a side, and that is bad for everybody. Jul 02 22:18:53 in the US we call them daddy long legs, which is what you guys call cellar spiders Jul 02 22:18:54 Ok its gone Jul 02 22:18:56 even the starcitizen subreddit is private, oh for fuck sake I'm just going to log off. maybe this bull shit is over by tomorrow. Jul 02 22:18:56 what allthefoxes Jul 02 22:18:57 hi Jul 02 22:19:05 lol PM Jul 02 22:19:15 daddy long legs have wings? Jul 02 22:19:23 blueshiftlabs, you should be way more up with Monstercat Jul 02 22:19:27 one of the best labels out there Jul 02 22:19:29 oh thats crane fly Jul 02 22:19:29 Gotim foxes Jul 02 22:19:30 nvm Jul 02 22:19:32 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Opiliones Jul 02 22:19:32 yeah, that's how they get in places Jul 02 22:19:38 music is all free to listen to online Jul 02 22:19:43 @g monstercat Jul 02 22:19:44 (allthefoxes) https://www.monstercat.com/ -- Monstercat: "We are proving that independent labels have the ability to reshape the music industry landscape, while supporting up and coming musicians." Jul 02 22:19:58 anything try highlighting alienth yet? Jul 02 22:20:05 he's here erikster Jul 02 22:20:07 that be all my spider questions answered for today Jul 02 22:20:10 https://www.reddit.com/r/pics/comments/3bxtca/dear_reddit_we_liked_victoria/csqkxfl?context=3 Jul 02 22:20:11 erikster: i've been around Jul 02 22:20:11 wow lol Jul 02 22:20:19 erikster: i can't really do much to assist, tho Jul 02 22:20:20 lol Jul 02 22:20:27 alienth, oh i know Jul 02 22:20:35 i was just curious to hear your PoV Jul 02 22:20:39 mm Jul 02 22:20:42 allthefoxes: I'll have to give them a listen Jul 02 22:20:43 Shut down reddit in protest of yourself Jul 02 22:20:51 blueshiftlabs, monstercat is the label :) Jul 02 22:20:52 close reddit!11!!!1! Jul 02 22:20:58 allthefoxes: shared office, have to drown out my officemates somehow :) Jul 02 22:21:04 The work of a political mastermind Jul 02 22:21:17 allthefoxes: by "them", I mean "that label's artists" Jul 02 22:21:20 https://youtu.be/Aor6-DkzBJ0?t=54s Jul 02 22:21:20 erikster: will paste some of my earlier comments (but be aware they may be missing relevant context from the discussion surrounding them) Jul 02 22:21:21 (multi-mod) Morehouse College - We Shall Overcome - length 4m 11s - 1,708 likes, 63 dislikes (96.4%) - 439,756 views - Kortland Whalum on 2009.06.26 Jul 02 22:21:22 oh okay :) Jul 02 22:21:27 sure sure Jul 02 22:21:32 i think at this point we have to assume she did something really dumb Jul 02 22:21:40 you know you don't need to Jul 02 22:21:52 I don't even think 99% of the people care about chooter, they just want to complain about the admins Jul 02 22:21:53 allthefoxes: now he's spamming modmail, thanks Jul 02 22:22:07 Rabble rabble rabble Jul 02 22:22:11 KEK Jul 02 22:22:14 Hey guys, what did the version of the "list of recommendations" that you see look like? Jul 02 22:22:24 was it a bullet pointed explanation? Jul 02 22:22:31 * x316nuts shakes angry fist Jul 02 22:22:45 this has been building up for a while, i think Jul 02 22:22:49 .gis man yells at clouds Jul 02 22:22:50 (XenoBen) https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/originals/a2/de/19/a2de196149997cedc24a1dcef37e862b.jpg Jul 02 22:23:00 " to be non-silly for a moment: I'm kinda on the outside from all of the happenings. All I can do is encourage folks to think about what blackouts are working to accomplish. One thing I'm sure y'all are aware of is that the non-mod community is a party in this whole plot as well. The pendulum can easily shift when a mob is formed :/" Jul 02 22:23:07 I recommend all of my shitty ideas are implemented Jul 02 22:23:20 i agree Jul 02 22:23:24 " this type of situation has no 'solution'. it only has an outcome. the outcome remains to be seen. i can't iamgine it being positive, tho." Jul 02 22:23:34 erikster: that kinda covers the majority of my thoughts Jul 02 22:23:35 ^^^^^^^^ Jul 02 22:23:45 But all the kids want a riot Jul 02 22:23:48 How long until admin blog post Jul 02 22:23:51 alienth, I think we just want to squeeze the admins for a bit of jolly good rabble rousing for a bit Jul 02 22:23:52 And attention Jul 02 22:23:53 all default mods replaced with people in a contact center in Utah? Jul 02 22:23:53 Change is a process. It has no end point. We can hope to nudge it in the right direction Jul 02 22:23:55 Wat do Jul 02 22:24:11 there's literally nothing the admins could do right now to "fix" this Jul 02 22:24:19 ban the mods Jul 02 22:24:20 best move is to shut up for a week Jul 02 22:24:23 https://www.reddit.com/r/SubredditDrama/comments/3bwgjf/riama_set_to_private_over_mod_firing/csqg24d?context=3 Jul 02 22:24:43 erikster, they could do this: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YZvbCgnCJoA Jul 02 22:24:43 (spiders) Assuming Direct Control - length 4s - 37 likes, 1 dislike (97.4%) - 5,473 views - DovidDovidson on 2011.04.16 Jul 02 22:24:48 L M A O Jul 02 22:25:04 werner__herzog, seriously, not a smart move on his part Jul 02 22:25:17 erikster: They could make a blog post stating that they intend to work on it, and request that mods work with them in a serious dialogue about how they can improve the site - I mean, literally any action would satisfy most Jul 02 22:25:20 but a hilarious one Jul 02 22:25:31 truth Jul 02 22:25:32 If everyone would take a deep breath, remember that no one at all cares about you or your ego and opinion, and remember that we're all here to serve the community even at times of petulant uprising Jul 02 22:25:36 That would be nice Jul 02 22:25:45 it's probably best to let it go on for a bit until everyone calms down Jul 02 22:25:51 Because shut up Jul 02 22:25:58 fourth of july will distract everyone Jul 02 22:26:03 x316nuts, thankfully my tortured students have to care about my opinion of them Jul 02 22:26:06 if i were them i wouldn't make a post at least until tomorrow Jul 02 22:26:07 fireworks to get their minds off things Jul 02 22:26:25 No one even reads the fucking sidebar Jul 02 22:26:32 bah its 3:30am Jul 02 22:26:40 x316nuts: no one ever has, no one ever will Jul 02 22:26:42 XenoBen: casual. Jul 02 22:26:48 fuk u Jul 02 22:26:51 And here we are knuckle deep in our own assholes feeling important Jul 02 22:26:52 1v1 Jul 02 22:26:53 rust Jul 02 22:26:57 Get over yourself Jul 02 22:27:15 No one cares about your leadership Jul 02 22:27:16 I had "mime artists are strictly forbidden" in the sidebar rules, took months before someone asked why it was there Jul 02 22:27:50 x316nuts: I don't think many people are *that* up themselves, in fairness - I don't expect this fuss will last more than a day or so. Jul 02 22:27:58 No one cares about your css or contests or rules. They just showed up along the way and here we are Jul 02 22:27:58 hehe. At this point the rules are more like manifestos which people use to hold moderator's to account, rather than things they actually read Jul 02 22:28:12 x316nuts, you are right. Jul 02 22:28:20 We. Jul 02 22:28:35 x316nuts so i take it your cat sub will stay up Jul 02 22:28:59 such anger, many expletives, wow Jul 02 22:29:01 We rub ourselves raw telling each other how important we are but NO ONE CARES Jul 02 22:29:25 >We rub ourselves raw Jul 02 22:29:30 I mean what you do in private... Jul 02 22:29:32 Jpt I'll shoe horn my cats in somewhere Jul 02 22:30:17 we use live for stuff now Jul 02 22:30:18 fucking /r/fallout has gone dark Jul 02 22:30:19 heh Jul 02 22:30:20 https://www.reddit.com/live/v6d0vi6c8veb Jul 02 22:30:54 holy fucking siht Jul 02 22:30:54 fuck Jul 02 22:30:55 admins Jul 02 22:31:00 x316nuts where are you getting this idea that we're all up ourselves? People have just been discussing what they would like to happen, and being surprised by how much people have done Jul 02 22:31:04 please let us block people from modmail Jul 02 22:31:08 All the mods get to categorically ignore users and we call ourselves heroes for ignoring idiots Jul 02 22:31:26 Admins ignore us and OH SHIT REVOLT Jul 02 22:31:54 x316nuts: True. But on the flipside, we're the ones that have to deal with mountains of reddit's work for them - asking for better mod tools in *some* way isn't a bad thing. Not sure piggybacking off the blackouts are necessarily the best way of doing that, but it's really needed- we're all volunteers, and it's not much to ask for a little bit more Jul 02 22:31:54 communication on the state of the things we need to do our jobs. Jul 02 22:31:54 it just goes on and on and on https://www.allthefoxes.me/img/31-kGsmNko2.png Jul 02 22:32:14 totally don't think this should go on for more than a single day, though Jul 02 22:32:17 x316nuts, youre taking a very nihilistic approach here Jul 02 22:32:20 even netsec is even off Jul 02 22:32:22 god dammit Jul 02 22:32:23 that'd just be screwing everyone. Jul 02 22:32:29 Duh Jul 02 22:32:32 x316nuts, you act like these are one off things Jul 02 22:32:42 I'm drunk and mouthy Jul 02 22:32:48 https://i.imgur.com/FZ7fxk9.png Jul 02 22:32:49 Allthefoxes Jul 02 22:32:50 x316nuts, what are you drinking? Jul 02 22:32:55 He's doj g the same thing with us Jul 02 22:33:03 Locutus: reddit doesn't know the scale needed to treat mods as people Jul 02 22:33:06 woo Jul 02 22:33:10 WE NEED TO UNIONIZE Jul 02 22:33:12 Finished a 19% beer Jul 02 22:33:19 was it an IPA Jul 02 22:33:24 allthefoxes: what do you use for that image uploader? Jul 02 22:33:30 SolarAquarion, YES Jul 02 22:33:31 And Fuck ya'll. I mean that in a nice way but Jesus Jul 02 22:33:35 No one cares Jul 02 22:33:35 DEFAULT MOD UNION Jul 02 22:33:43 No it was a barrel aged stout Jul 02 22:33:49 D: Jul 02 22:33:51 jealous Jul 02 22:33:52 what's it called? Jul 02 22:33:56 teaearlgraycold: International Mods of the World Jul 02 22:34:05 My beer? Chocolate rain Jul 02 22:34:08 you know, I'm really not sure how fucked I am about being a moderator anymore. The original reason I started to use reddit was because it was the only site my shitty call center job didn't block, now it's a job Jul 02 22:34:10 my biggest gripe is that we are supposed to enforce reddit’s rules, and report stuff we can’t deal with to the admins, and then they don’t answer us Jul 02 22:34:11 blueshiftlabs, Screencloud Jul 02 22:34:11 where do you get these ridiculous ABV stouts man Jul 02 22:34:12 werner__herzog: ffs Jul 02 22:34:31 Admins want us to do our own shit Jul 02 22:34:42 And we do Jul 02 22:34:52 I'd do your shit Jul 02 22:34:57 Wink wink Jul 02 22:35:00 ;) Jul 02 22:35:04 allthefoxes: danke, been looking for useful shit to put on my server Jul 02 22:35:06 GENERAL STRIKE Jul 02 22:35:13 so when will subs reopen? Jul 02 22:35:20 NEVAR!!!!1! Jul 02 22:35:21 Ivashkin if you feel as though moderating is interfering with your life, then your life comes first Jul 02 22:35:41 XenoBen: Probably within 12 hours, worst of worst cases. Past that, it starts getting a bit silly. Jul 02 22:35:52 it's not so much that it's interfering with my life, it's that it's interfering with my redditing Jul 02 22:35:55 one my my subs i use for news has closed Jul 02 22:35:57 the worst thing that can happen is that people will realize that there's life outside reddit Jul 02 22:36:01 NO WAR BUT CLASS WAR Jul 02 22:36:03 and i need that news for work Jul 02 22:36:13 Foamed: what if /r/outside shuts down? what then?!? Jul 02 22:36:18 D: Jul 02 22:36:24 XenoBen: /r/netsec? Jul 02 22:36:29 ye Jul 02 22:36:37 yeah, that's a bit of a blow Jul 02 22:36:42 XenoBen: damn Jul 02 22:36:46 .l Jul 02 22:36:47 (allthefoxes) allthefoxes is listening to "Bliss" by Insan3lik3 from the album Monstercat 012: Aftermath http://is.gd/N5PQqD. Jul 02 22:36:48 ManWithoutModem: baby I miss you so much how you been what's up how is life sure is some good popcorn to bring you back here Jul 02 22:36:54 XenoBen: I love that subreddit Jul 02 22:36:57 it just goes on and on and on https://www.allthefoxes.me/img/31-kGsmNko2.png we got that in r/tifu as well Jul 02 22:36:59 Hi ManWithoutModem Jul 02 22:37:18 ManWithoutModem: do you have a BTN or PTP invites? Jul 02 22:37:19 i use it to keep up-to-date on stuff Jul 02 22:37:25 obviously now i cant Jul 02 22:37:32 oh, apparently one of my subs is going dark Jul 02 22:37:37 XenoBen which sub? Jul 02 22:37:38 Then I took an arrow to the knee Jul 02 22:37:40 in not going dark news Jul 02 22:37:45 netsec Jul 02 22:37:46 one of the trackers i use is back up Jul 02 22:37:50 :3 Jul 02 22:37:57 yeah SolarAquarion Jul 02 22:38:06 Mwm pls