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It was my first week in Seoul, where I had moved to teach English at an elementary school, and mostly what I was conscious of before getting out of that elevator was how jet-lagged I was and how the entire city seemed to consist of an undifferentiated mass of neon. As I became more familiar with Korea and with the language over the next two years, this veneer of seemingly perfect straightness gained more nuance as I learned to spot the cracks. I had engineered a magical disappearing gayness act so convincing that not even I noticed the sleight of hand. Earlier that day I had met up with a group of queer expat women I found through Facebook, and after a barbeque and karaoke we made our way to Labrys, which is to say that we walked into an unmarked building that also housed a clothing store, squeezed eight people into an elevator meant for four that was vibrating with the bass blasting from the top floor, and were transported to Homo Heaven. I have never seen so many lesbians in one place. As a group of ten non-Koreans, we were a bit of a spectacle. Girls would come up and dance with us with gleefully terrified expressions, or take pictures of themselves with us in the background. Dating in Korea is serious business. Much of what made all this so intriguing — and so frustrating — was the language barrier, which ran the gamut from virtually no linguistic communication like with Jina to fluent communication like with Eun Ji, the girl I dated for over a year, who majored in English in college. But even with girls who spoke English there was always a gap between how I wanted to express myself and how I did express myself, and most girls told me they felt the same way. I enjoyed operating on the boundaries of language, but sometimes I missed just talking — openly, freely, without hesitation. Source: Hani Siyad And after a while, I started to notice something else. Sure, there are words for gay and lesbian, but we are left out of everyday discourse. Without the possibility of speaking about our desires, we could only enact them. There are some upsides to this whole subculture thing. You can get away with a lot when you are unspeakable and therefore unthinkable. But there are also obvious downsides. We would re-enter the world that has no words for us. I often had to remind myself that I had it fairly easy as a non-Korean-speaking American. Eun Ji, who I dated longer-term, told her co-workers she had a boyfriend so they would stop trying to set her up on blind dates. Source: Hani Siyad On the other hand, things are changing. At the two Pride parades I went to, families and old ladies passing by would stop and cheer us on. There are openly affectionate lesbian couples everywhere—on the street, on the subway, in restaurants. Despite being uncomfortable coming out to her family or coworkers, Eun Ji had no problem with holding my hand or kissing in public. This is not to say that if everyone came out the sun would come out too and everyone would be happy forever. As much as I deplore the violence of heteronormativity, I admire the innovative forms of community it enables. With all the intense processing and communication that happens in lesbian relationships, there was something special about living in Korea and meeting girls who would always remain mysterious and unknowable to me, learning to feel the weight of desire in a touch rather than a word, and feeling like we could maybe invent our own language since the world had no words for us. Within the violence of invisibility there is also a sense of liberation and expansiveness. Have a nice day. First Person writers are simply speaking honestly from their own hearts. Thanks for putting into words my feelings re: why it feels good to be out, even to strangers. This article was very interesting to read. Thank you for sharing!! And this is anon. Probably the BIGGEST mistake of my life. They love me too much. I love them too. But they could never, NEVER accept this sickness. I really enjoyed reading about it and I have heard of those clubs. Btw, Korea is great. The ad was in major newspapers. There was no real counter-campaign. Of course, there are people who try hard for equality. But they hardly are heard. Most people stay in closet because it is so, SO much easier that way. So I just resort to coming on Autostraddle everyday to breathe a little. Sorry this was like a freaking essay. I send you all the love! To echo everyone else, you are the furthest thing from a coward. Even if you had never come out to anyone and never read Autostraddle or any other queer websites, coming out to yourself is one of the most terrifying and courageous things a person can do. And if actually setting foot in one of the lesbian clubs seems too daunting to you, maybe check out miunet? Labrys is also known for hosting a younger demographic—generally high school and college students. If you are looking for a better dance floor, friendlier service, and a more mature demographic, I would go to Pink Hole. One of the owners there, butch type, speaks English pretty well and is cool with foreigners. Neither club allows men AT ALL, gay or straight, so leave the dudes at home if you have them. This is the central subway line that loops through Seoul. You have to head into the clubbing area, which is about a five minute walk away go left out of the subway exit, past the street vendors and through the restaurant and shop area. You could probably follow people who look like they are going clubbing, or follow the lights and music. When you see the club area, walk uphill for a minute or two. You should pass Cocoon and Zen Bar, I believe. You should see a Caffe Bene and other coffee shops nearby across the street. Turn right onto the main road. Labrys is about a minute from there, inside a tall building on your right. It does not look like a club but has a bar in it as well. There is a neon LABRYS sign on the building, so keep your eyes open. If you know anyone who has already been there, I highly recommend going with them. Hi expat, I plan on going to South Korea to teach English sometime around August this year after I graduate with my MA. I want to teach where ever I can make the most money, but being able to find and date other lesbians is very important to me as well. I would like to know if Seoul is really the only location in South Korea for me to consider if I want to pursue possibly serious relationships with women. Dates are fun, but I will be looking for a potential partner. Turned out to be Pink Hole. She prefers to go with the cartoon-ostrich method of dealing with a homosexual child. Loneliness can be the hardest part. This is exactly what I feel. If they do, then they beg you to not let anyone else in the family or community know. I grew up in Taipei and was born in the US and I feel very similar pressures that this Korean voice states. Thanks for this post, it reminds me of the power of words, of the necessity of names to call ourselves and each other. Well written and insightful—thanks again. Thanks for writing this. I am a lesbian expat who has lived in rural Costa Rica for 12 years so it was interesting to get the perspective of another lesbian in another country. The isolation and invisibility is unbelievable here in a macho latino rural culture. I will be so glad to be returning home to Canada soon!! I know the chasm between rural and urban in Costa Rica is large. In San Jose there is a small but thriving lesbian scene. Do you get to San Jose or the more liberal beach towns often? It can be a great way of escaping from the machismo that is so evident in Costa Rica. Nonetheless, I do not blame you for leaving. Thanks to everyone for the feedback! On the other hand, I wanted to give readers a sense of what queer culture in Korea is like, so I included interior photos of some of the clubs, but these could only be identified if you had actually been inside. But I do hope that at some point there will be a little more acceptance of queer identity, however that gets defined. Okay, question about South Korea: is it true that South Koreans use a form of Paper Scissors Rock to decide everything? He did also mention that his guy friends were always trying to hug him, or hold his hand, or give him a shoulder massage, or sit with him naked in hot tubs. And that his wife always felt looked down on and excluded because she was a women. Korea has this really intense drinking culture. My dad hates it. Sorry I just felt like being a Korean commenter. But the big tradition among the men is to go to the local dive and get roasted or boiled pork, oysters, cabbage, the whole rich foods shabang, and drink shit tons of soju. Ultimately, one generally decides which matters more, and full acceptance usually wins. What I mean by that is I feel you described Korean queer culture as something quite romantic, which for you it probably was. Civil Rights and acceptance are a necessity. I just wanted point that out because it feels important. It was an interesting read though, an outsiders perspective. In my experience, that view is shared by a significant number Korean lesbians, actually—i. They prefer a hidden subculture. But she lived there for two years and it sounds like she was able to have decent conversations with Koreans about these things. Just my two cents… Fascinating article, as others have said. If so this could explain why lesbian couples can get away with more PDA than you might expect. But one day, someone DID say something asked how my date went , and he found out I was a lesbian and went completely postal. Like I had a contagious disease. He stunned our group of friends and shocked the hell out of me. Like, not going to gatherings if I was present. I was totally blindsided, but that was before I knew about the homophobia that exists in South Korea, even cities like Seoul where he was from. For those who have more knowledge about this than I do, do you find that South Korean women usually respond better to homosexuality, in general? Korea is kind of contradictory. On the one hand you have this new wave of like…androgyny, feminine dudes, etc. But then you have the way nobody actually talks about lgbtqetc shit like ever. This is at least according to my dad, who left when he was like 20 or so, in the 80s. My mom left when she was like 12 or 13. The thing is that my dad was never one of those conservative folk. He was a goddamn metalhead and played in a goddamn heavy metal cover band and participated in this student revolution and all that crap. I know this because I quizzed him on his male puberty extensively since I am going through mine now. I figure I should mention now that I am a teenage trans dude. He was a pretty androgynous figure as a teen, basically. Anyway, I mean, I hear about this whole Asian conservativism etc and I get a little puzzled? Since my parents are just so liberal. I got these really weird parents who completely accepted me and everything for every time I came out. Well coming out as a dude was a bit trickier but MAN they were still really good about it. I was born in the US and only went to Korea a couple of times to visit family. I dunno, I just have really mixed feelings about my heritage and stuff. Whether I can really claim an identity as Korean when I only speak English and all that? Maybe stuff is different? I probably have to go live in Korea and learn the language and shit to find out more but. Sorry for the word vomit, which had nothing really to do with this article, which was a lovely article by the way. I have been living in Seoul for five years. I have been in a serious relationship with a Korean woman for 4 of those years, and I have discussed this topic with many different kinds of Koreans to see what they think. When you talk about Koreans, you have to realize that their social lives are an intricate mix of internal and external pressures. Everything in Korean society is based on group mentality. I think my girlfriend has been accepted by her friends, because they have their own strong group, and they will be loyal to each other no matter what. I once met a woman who was going to be fired from her 12 year teacher position because she had failed to get married yet. So, as I have read the comments above, I can see how this applies to the exchange student who freaked out when he discovered he was unknowingly friends with a lesbian. He thought you were all one way, but it turns out, one is different. I can also see how this applies to the high school girls who beat eachother up if they like a guy. But their rules are even stricter, because they are even more exclusive than the mainstream. Maybe that is why the Korean lesbian community can seem a bit romantic to an outsider. In Korea, the group tends to inform the individual, not the other way around. I feel like that is a big difference between U. I would say that we in the U. This is a really great article! In America I can stay with a friend or something, there are a lot of options; but where will I go there when I need some air? TO BE VERY CLEAR: the following comments are NOT a personal attack against the writer in any way shape or form. I believe she made that abundantly clear. Likewise, it seems that no native Korean, adoptee, person living in Seoul, or anything else you mentioned volunteered to write a post; surely, if someone had volunteered, we could have seen multiple perspectives on queer Korea. That no one else asked to write an article on the topic is neither the fault of Autostraddle nor Hallie. Perhaps, if you feel that you have a different perspective that you would like to be shared, you could contact Autostraddle and volunteer to write an article yourself. As for saying that Hallie understands very little about the culture… Well, she is a foreigner, and she understands things from that perspective, obviously. She may understand things differently; not incorrectly. You cannot expect her to see and understand every little nuance the same way a Korean adoptee, national, etc. Why would you choose to make such qualitative statements about an entire culture? Your piece would be better without drawing these parallels to our culture in a way where one is being described as better than another. Thank you for pointing out, too, that the U. Hi Hallie, Thank you so much for posting! I really enjoyed reading this article. I posted your article on Korean lesbian site you think that pics are not recognizable, but someone said that is her friend your article has been posted on K-pop site. Having read this great piece of writing above, i now realise that even my experience of being there with my friends sitting quietly in the corner was potentially being intrusive for some people there. I speak of this only by way of echoing the implicit suggestion above that aside from merely being objects of desire unable to be named verbally, we are also capable of helping stretch the local conception of what is normal, hopefully helping make room for those of us locals who cannot leave so quickly and easily so as to build another home elsewhere. But there you go; life is a constant dance around the mulberry bush of what can be achieved in negotiation with those around. Firstly, I am glad that you are such a ally, so open minded! We need more of you. The whole straight people-especially the majority straight white men - in queer spaces is a complicated one, even in the Western World. On the other hand, we are a highly marginalized sect of society, and we get bombarded with the straight perspective day in and day out, along with forms of discrimination that even the friendliest of gay friendly straights cannot fathom, and sometimes you just want to be around other people who DO get it. So, rock and a hard place, I guess. Thanks for being a supporter. I have straight male friends. But I would have no interest in being friends with you. Whether or not somebody is a lesbian matters a lot when you want to date them. It matters very little when choosing your friends. Thanks to everyone for your comments, and to Autostraddle for removing the photos. As for the comments about privilege, I absolutely do not want this article to be taken as the gospel truth about Korea, Korean queer culture, or really anything at all. This was my own personal experience as an expat not a tourist and should be interpreted as such. Having spent a lot of time in Asia over the last few years, also as a Westerner, this sounds very familiar to me. Total I have lived overseas about 2 years only. Anyway, I have read all the posts here and especially I feel really sorry that the Koreans who are terrified about their outing in Korea. However, I notice that they have been only out to one or two Korean people who have lived overseas for a long time and feel terrified if they get some how harmed if they come out to other Koreans. I have different experiences. Throughout period being in a closet and overcoming that with a huge strength, I decided to come out to people if I naturally have chances, such as most common question in Korea if some one asks if I have a boyfriend, then I started answering I have a girlfiend. Most common response was that I look so normal and weird. They said they all expected lesbians and gays would be weird and not being able to adjust to society, therefore they probably have chosen a life of being gay. After I heard this commonly, I actually decided to come out more if I had chances and tried to give the message to the Korean society indirectly that Korean gay and lesbian are just like anyone else. I have come out to so many Koreans even people only I meet one time and for the first time. I have come out to my family. They all love me and care about me. My family has never lived overseas by the way. I think as long as you have courage to come out and be strong about who you are, then they would respect who you are. Be strong and Be proud who you are! This article inspired me to write my extended essay for IB comparing Korean and American social and cultural attitudes towards homosexuality. But in all seriousness the comments on this article, especially the ones from Koreans, are really insightful. I understand where my fellow Koreans are coming from. Thanks for the subject and topic idea. I was dying over here trying to think of something to write about. This article really resonates with me, but in a different way than usual since I am pre-op transgender MTF and lesbian. Before I had moved to Korea, I had been seeing a psychologist who specializes in transgender issues in the U. After that time period, it became more than crystal-clear that I had to transition. However, that was also the time when I had lost my job mostly because of my being obviously transgender. Unfortunately in most jurisdictions in the U. At any rate, when I had lost my job, a college friend in Korea had been able to get me in touch with someone who was offering a pretty good paying job teaching English in Korea. If anyone reading this knows of any legitimate transgender gathering place or anything like that here in Korea, please let me know. I have graduated uni and this is my first teaching job and experience living abroad…scary! I would really like to get to know people other people out here so please get in touch. Especially anyone who knows their way around Seoul, I am really excitied about going out there but also just to meet new people and experience Korea at night! Katy x Hey all, I recently moved here myself! I live an hour and and twenty-ish depending on traffic not slaying my LIFEEEE outside of Seoul. I wonder if there is a fb group for this…silly question, there doubtless is. It just sort of came into my head tonight to search for all things queer since I have most of the basic tenets of living taken care of now except cell.