yep I compress and ride the fader, you have to if you want the full power of the performance __________________ Lou Gimenez www.musiclabnyc.com Musiclab is offline Reply With Quote Old 9th May 2012 #2 Oldschoolwax Gear maniac Oldschoolwax's Avatar Joined: Apr 2007 Location: New York and Charleston SC Un-ited States Comments: 161 Yeah, I miss the days of an all hands on mix, even more fun with four guys on the desk and someone trying to fly in a stereo track off the Skully just hoping the timing is all great... Ah, what we did to get 18 tracks sometimes! __________________ ~Michael Oldschoolwax is offline Reply With Quote Old 9th May 2012 #3 waxx Lives for gear waxx's Avatar Joined: Apr 2006 Location: Ghent, Belgium Comments: 1,361 i compress also, but slightly, and after i ride the fader of the vocal (with automation altough, and in 99,99% the daw automation as i use no tape) so the compressor is on a buss after the the fader or hardware insert __________________ Quote: Originally Posted by Bob Olhsson View Post To me, overproduction means throwing away what's right in a herculean effort to achieve a recording having nothing wrong. http://www.urgent.fm waxx is offline Reply With Quote Old 9th May 2012 #4 LeMauce Lives for gear LeMauce's Avatar Joined: Feb 2008 Location: Paris, Amsterdam, London Comments: 2,016 Send a message via Skype™ to LeMauce A mix without any fader riding on volume/effect is a boring mix... even if the performence is superduper great. __________________ -= GET your Sum:mation right! =- Paris Music Productions for all your (online) mix & production work Paris Music Productions Facebook LeMauce is offline Reply With Quote Old 9th May 2012 #5 kosmokrator mymixisbetterthanyours! kosmokrator's Avatar Joined: Oct 2006 Location: Berlin Comments: 1,972 riding vocal faders in mixing is NOT done by people? Really? Now riding on the way to PT is what seperates the boys from the men. __________________ www.just-mix-it.com kosmokrator is offline Reply With Quote Old 9th May 2012 #6 MTStudios Gear addict MTStudios's Avatar Joined: Dec 2006 Location: Perth, Australia Comments: 434 11 Reviews written I don't think you can even call it a mix if the faders don't move! It's a pity no one's yet invented a preamp with a fader for output attenuation. It would be nice to ride a pre into a comp into PT for those of us without consoles. __________________ www.MidasTouchStudios.com.au My little recording studio in Perth, Western Australia. Check out the link to hear some of my work! MTStudios is offline Reply With Quote Old 9th May 2012 #7 drBill Gear Guru drBill's Avatar Joined: Jul 2006 Location: So Cal Comments: 13,209 I never knew it was lost..... Go figure. I'm more out of touch than I thought...... drBill is offline Reply With Quote Old 9th May 2012 #8 The Listener Lives for gear The Listener's Avatar Joined: Oct 2006 Location: Europe Comments: 1,644 1 Review written Quote: Originally Posted by joelpatterson View Post Strangely enough-- or not-- I was reminded of this vanishing art when putting together a tape sync'd interview for the BBC today-- with one of the interviewee's, who had an interesting voice but a soft spoken delivery, it made a HUGE difference pushing the fader up a notch or two-- much more engaging and storytellingish. At the zero mark, he was sounding a little wishy-washy, but up at 2 or 3 over, he was brilliant and raconteurish and thoroughly charming. So I ended up riding the level throughout, to get that edge. It must be something about actual boards, the way they are designed and built, that the saturating and sense of fulfillingness you can achieve with little flicks of the fader... makey or breaky, no question about it. It's not a lost art and it is not specifically connected to doing it on the board - riding the volume is very important - I do it all the time. It's my main mixing tool... and it's free. But for spoken word (if not live on the radio or theatre, etc.) - it is mostly not really a fader riding - I splice silent parts and increase level of those silent splices... It is super easy in Nuendo - the effect is the same as fader riding. No compressors can do that so clean and fine... I never thought that it would be a lost art - I thought everyone is doing it... Also when doing live sound for bands - I always drive the vocal and some other channels - bass, drum groups, guitar groups, fx groups, etc. - pushing soloists up front when needed, etc. Also increasing the master level gradually towards the end of the show, so they sound more and more epic to the audience, also riding the whole sections in loudness to help build climaxes with the band, increasing their dynamics... The effect (both for spoken word or for music) is exactly what you described: "sense of fulfillingness you can achieve with little flicks of the fader..." edit: Oh, everyone said the same thing already - my bad habit of replying to OP without reading more replies first... __________________ "The first question I ask myself when something doesn't seem to be beautiful is why do I think it's not beautiful. And very shortly you discover that there is no reason." John Cage http://worldhappinessmusic.bandcamp.com/ The Listener is offline Reply With Quote Old 9th May 2012 #9 LeMauce Lives for gear LeMauce's Avatar Joined: Feb 2008 Location: Paris, Amsterdam, London Comments: 2,016 Send a message via Skype™ to LeMauce Quote: Originally Posted by MTStudios View Post I don't think you can even call it a mix if the faders don't move! It's a pity no one's yet invented a preamp with a fader for output attenuation. It would be nice to ride a pre into a comp into PT for those of us without consoles. Scott Greiner (a fellow GS'er) is working on this otm. He is comming out with a summingbox with automated VCA faders that controlled by your daw. So the fader riding is AFTER all progressed ITB/OTB threatment. Perhaps he can work that idea of you out. LeMauce is offline Reply With Quote Old 9th May 2012 #10 Jules Gearslutz.com admin Jules's Avatar Joined: Apr 2002 Location: A Yank in London, UK Comments: 18,753 My Recordings/Credits 2 Reviews written DAW 'Controller" faders can have a dreary latency - taking all the joy out of it..