Upgrading to VPS from Shared Reseller I am back looking for advice/guidance again. Last year, I was on the hunt for a new reseller host (thread), and now I am on the hunt for a VPS provider. I ended up staying with SurpassHosting and paid $35/month for their r.SSD1 package and $10/month WHMCS license. ++++++++++++++ If You want to buy cheap web hosting then visit http://Listfreetop.pw and select the cheapest hosting. it can be suitable for all your needs. Top 200 best traffic exchange sites http://Listfreetop.pw/surf list of top gpt sites list of top ptc sites list of top ptp sites list of top crypto currency Wallets sites Listfreetop.pw Listfreetop.pw Listfreetop.pw +++++++++++++++ In the past year, I've picked up more clients and I've noticed a significant change in site load time ever since I switched to the new plan with SurpassHosting and they've tried addressing it for what it's worth but I think it's time to jump to a VPS. All the websites hosted on my resellers are either Wordpress or HTML websites so I would like to favor features/specs that make Wordpress more efficient. SurpassHosting provides VPS through their sister company HostDime which charges $134/month for the most basic VPS but that is a bit out of my budget considering the limited specs too. Based on my current spending of about $45/month (which has $10/month for a WHMCS license), I'd be willing to increase the budget to about $65-70/month all in if needed. I've been looking at BlueHost, Siteground, A2Hosting and InMotion predominantly but I am open other suggestions. I've been looking through some of the providers that are active on this forum as well. Bare Requirements: - 50-60GB SSD space - 5TB bandwidth - 4GB RAM (Based on some research, I'm assuming 256-512MB per Wordpress site plus some wiggle room should suffice for now) - Managed (I do not know much about server management but I know enough about IT/hosting to understand and learn it. Down the road I can consider going self-managed if it is not a big burden.) - DDOS protection (this looks like a standard feature nowadays) - cPanel/WHM - Good support/Quality product - US based Questions: 1. During my research I've seen reseller VPS, cloud VPS, Wordpress VPS, and more. Is the technology or resources behind each of those different OR is it just based on how a host markets their product? 2. Are there any major differences I need to be aware of by jumping to a VPS? I know it won't be a shared environment per se and I will have dedicated resources. 3. Should I be adding other factors into my requirements? Thank you! 1. During my research I've seen reseller VPS, cloud VPS, Wordpress VPS, and more. Is the technology or resources behind each of those different OR is it just based on how a host markets their product? a.) Much is all marketing; you are not behind in any sense. Wordpress Hosting is different in terms of what each providers means when they sell it, for some it's basically wordpress installed right from the box on a Cpanel, for other it's management when it comes to wordpress help. 2. Are there any major differences I need to be aware of by jumping to a VPS? I know it won't be a shared environment per se and I will have dedicated resources. A.) No major difference a Managed VPS will still feel like a Reseller hosting but you'll have full access to all the resources as long as you go with KVM as a backend; if you go with OpenVz you might as well be on a Reseller Hosting as the resources are still shared. 3. Should I be adding other factors into my requirements? A.) YESS! A big thing users forget when they moved from a Shared Environment such as Reseller/Shared hosting to a VPS. Is that you'll be losing added bonuses such as Litespeed, CloudLinux, spam Filtration (Spamexperts/Mailchannels), and backups. If you want to offer these features to your customers you'll need to account for it in your budgeting. SurpassHosting provides VPS through their sister company HostDime which charges $134/month for the most basic VPS but that is a bit out of my budget considering the limited specs to if your budget is low then buy another reseller plan with the same company, which you satisfied. i agree with @TrentaHost they mention all the things points very well. some benefits are you can sell re-seller plan when you buy VPS or dedicated server. but managed VPS or dedicated server licenses software add-ons plugins cost you need to pay but in re- seller plan you it saves money of these licences. A.) No major difference a Managed VPS will still feel like a Reseller hosting but you'll have full access to all the resources as long as you go with KVM as a backend; if you go with OpenVz you might as well be on a Reseller Hosting as the resources are still shared. That is really good to know! I had no idea VPS could end up sharing resources as well! What about Xen? I've seen that at a few places use that. Quote Originally Posted by TrentaHost View Post A.) YESS! A big thing users forget when they moved from a Shared Environment such as Reseller/Shared hosting to a VPS. Is that you'll be losing added bonuses such as Litespeed, CloudLinux, spam Filtration (Spamexperts/Mailchannels), and backups. If you want to offer these features to your customers you'll need to account for it in your budgeting. I assumed all of that would be included in a managed VPS. The backups for the most part are included at weekly increments on some of the hosts researched. How much should I budget for Litespeed, CloudLinux, Spam Filtration, etc.? Know any hosts that might include that in their prices? if your budget is low then buy another reseller plan with the same company, which you satisfied. i agree with @TrentaHost they mention all the things points very well. some benefits are you can sell re-seller plan when you buy VPS or dedicated server. but managed VPS or dedicated server licenses software add-ons plugins cost you need to pay but in re- seller plan you it saves money of these licences. The point is to get off of reseller accounts to increase performance and gain additional control of my hosting environment. I don't mind increasing the budget to get the right product but I need to understand why I need to increase it and for what. I'm looking to get recommendations on hosts and fill in the gaps in my research/knowledge about managed VPS. Bare Requirements: - 50-60GB SSD space - 5TB bandwidth - 4GB RAM (Based on some research, I'm assuming 256-512MB per Wordpress site plus some wiggle room should suffice for now) - Managed (I do not know much about server management but I know enough about IT/hosting to understand and learn it. Down the road I can consider going self-managed if it is not a big burden.) - DDOS protection (this looks like a standard feature nowadays) - cPanel/WHM - Good support/Quality product - US based Do you really need 5TB of Bandwidth? That seems like a ton for a reseller account. You need to remember with a cPanel on VPS, you no longer have the limitations of bandwidth on packages that you have a standard reseller account. You can assign 1 Trillion TB of bandwidth to your accounts. With VPS, it comes down to what you are actually using. Quote Originally Posted by dubLeE View Post That is really good to know! I had no idea VPS could end up sharing resources as well! What about Xen? I've seen that at a few places use that. It should be noted that the majority of VPSes are shared CPU cores. Unless you find one with that lists Dedicated CPU Cores or a VDS, then there will be somewhat of a shared environment. Many companys will quote vCPU Cores, which is Virtual CPU Cores or Shared Cores. This means you have access to a preset number of CPU cores, but if you try to use all 100% of those cores, you will like get throttled or suspended. Xen and KVM are basically the same. They have a few minor differences in performance but depends on the actual company's deployment. Xen in PVHVM mode can be faster then KVM if the configuration files are tweaked to match the hardware. But KVM is faster then Xen if the company uses the standard stock configuration files that most deployments use. Quote Originally Posted by dubLeE View Post I assumed all of that would be included in a managed VPS. The backups for the most part are included at weekly increments on some of the hosts researched. How much should I budget for Litespeed, CloudLinux, Spam Filtration, etc.? Know any hosts that might include that in their prices? On a VPS, Litespeed does not really make much difference. With you running Wordpress, you would be better off putting any extra money you were going to spend on Litespeed into extra Ram. Cloudlinux is nice in preventing rouge accounts from slowing down the whole server and or if you need the older PHP versions, such as PHP 5.3, 5.6, etc. that many people tend to like to run in a shared envirnoment. Its typically is around $15 a month for Cloudlinux, but is not required. cPanel will cost you $10-15/mo as well. Spam filtering can range all over the place in pricing. cPanel has basic spam filtering included, but if you want something better for you clients it can cost anywhere from a pennies per domain to whatever you really want to spend. A good manage host will help configure some more advanced filtering of cPanel, but it still will not beat the paid solutions. Tony Holloway Delivering Custom Hosting Solutions Since January 2004 madRooster.com Fun Name ... Serious Solutions Do you really need 5TB of Bandwidth? That seems like a ton for a reseller account. You need to remember with a cPanel on VPS, you no longer have the limitations of bandwidth on packages that you have a standard reseller account. You can assign 1 Trillion TB of bandwidth to your accounts. With VPS, it comes down to what you are actually using. No, I do not. I put 5TB just because that's what I currently have on my reseller. The client websites that I host don't have much traffic so I'm sure I could get away with less. Quote Originally Posted by madRoosterTony View Post It should be noted that the majority of VPSes are shared CPU cores. Unless you find one with that lists Dedicated CPU Cores or a VDS, then there will be somewhat of a shared environment. Many companys will quote vCPU Cores, which is Virtual CPU Cores or Shared Cores. This means you have access to a preset number of CPU cores, but if you try to use all 100% of those cores, you will like get throttled or suspended. Xen and KVM are basically the same. They have a few minor differences in performance but depends on the actual company's deployment. Xen in PVHVM mode can be faster then KVM if the configuration files are tweaked to match the hardware. But KVM is faster then Xen if the company uses the standard stock configuration files that most deployments use. Should I be looking at a VDS rather a VPS? VDS is a new term for me but from what I read on your website, it sheds some light on to it. Quote Originally Posted by madRoosterTony View Post On a VPS, Litespeed does not really make much difference. With you running Wordpress, you would be better off putting any extra money you were going to spend on Litespeed into extra Ram. Cloudlinux is nice in preventing rouge accounts from slowing down the whole server and or if you need the older PHP versions, such as PHP 5.3, 5.6, etc. that many people tend to like to run in a shared envirnoment. Its typically is around $15 a month for Cloudlinux, but is not required. cPanel will cost you $10-15/mo as well. Spam filtering can range all over the place in pricing. cPanel has basic spam filtering included, but if you want something better for you clients it can cost anywhere from a pennies per domain to whatever you really want to spend. A good manage host will help configure some more advanced filtering of cPanel, but it still will not beat the paid solutions. So it's safe to say that a little over half of my budget, $45, would go towards licenses. Looks like I need to increase my budget then. With all of the information, I am getting the sense that I should not move to a VPS? That is really good to know! I had no idea VPS could end up sharing resources as well! What about Xen? I've seen that at a few places use that. It doesn't matter if it is OpenVZ, Xen, KVM, etc.... since provider can still control the usage of CPU and IO. Your best bet if you really want to be assured that you have all what you are buying is to ask the provider directly about the limitations or you can just go for a dedicated server straight away. Some providers with normal price do really give you dedicated resources but with a price. So, it depends which provider you are going with. If it is too cheap to be true, then run away. Specially 4 You ||| Elevate Your Sites - Managed (I do not know much about server management but I know enough about IT/hosting to understand and learn it. Down the road I can consider going self-managed if it is not a big burden.) You might find my tutorial about server management helpful (www.mckerracher.net/vps) - I went through the same process a few years back and ended up managing my own. Phil McKerracher www.beeches.it Not a hosting company, but I fix hosting problems No, I do not. I put 5TB just because that's what I currently have on my reseller. The client websites that I host don't have much traffic so I'm sure I could get away with less. I would look at WHM and see how much bandwidth you are currently using and then price out accordingly. (1.5 - 2x current use). High Quality Bandwidth is still expensive in the over scheme of things for the providers, so many providers charge extra for higher bandwidth. Quote Originally Posted by dubLeE View Post Should I be looking at a VDS rather a VPS? VDS is a new term for me but from what I read on your website, it sheds some light on to it. A VDS will provide you the same performance every single time. Some VPSes maybe faster then a VDS at 3 am, but typically during peak times will often experience slow down. The real difference is with a VDS you can look at the performance of the server and know if its your accounts causing any slowdown or what is known as a noisy neighbor. Or if you are truly outgrowing the hardware and need to upgrade. A VPS makes this much harder to determine in the future Quote Originally Posted by dubLeE View Post So it's safe to say that a little over half of my budget, $45, would go towards licenses. Looks like I need to increase my budget then. With all of the information, I am getting the sense that I should not move to a VPS? If you are willing to push your budget to $60 - 70/mo you should be able to find something in your budget with cPanel and management, with the offers section you might be able to save some of that. But you will be hard pressed to stay on budget with Litespeed, Cloudlinux, 3rd party Spam filtering, etc. Tony Holloway Delivering Custom Hosting Solutions Since January 2004 madRooster.com Fun Name ... Serious Solutions You might find my tutorial about server management helpful (www.mckerracher.net/vps) - I went through the same process a few years back and ended up managing my own. Thanks for linking to that! it definitely shed some light! Without cPanel/WHM, would I be able to create separate accounts for clients? I would look at WHM and see how much bandwidth you are currently using and then price out accordingly. (1.5 - 2x current use). High Quality Bandwidth is still expensive in the over scheme of things for the providers, so many providers charge extra for higher bandwidth. Outside of a handful months where I hit 25+GB, I'm well under 15GB/month for bandwidth Quote Originally Posted by madRoosterTony View Post A VDS will provide you the same performance every single time. Some VPSes maybe faster then a VDS at 3 am, but typically during peak times will often experience slow down. The real difference is with a VDS you can look at the performance of the server and know if its your accounts causing any slowdown or what is known as a noisy neighbor. Or if you are truly outgrowing the hardware and need to upgrade. A VPS makes this much harder to determine in the future If you are willing to push your budget to $60 - 70/mo you should be able to find something in your budget with cPanel and management, with the offers section you might be able to save some of that. But you will be hard pressed to stay on budget with Litespeed, Cloudlinux, 3rd party Spam filtering, etc. I am willing to push my budget but I think $100/month would be the maximum. The reason for changing/upgrading is because I notice the slow load times of website and I've run into countless times where I need to load data into or out of Wordpress, I am unable to for various reasons due to the constraints of a shared environment. When I approach my host about it, they recommend upgrading to a VPS or dedicated server. Maybe the other option for me to consider is to change to another reseller host but I could run into a similar issue down the road with a new host as well. Thanks for linking to that! it definitely shed some light! Without cPanel/WHM, would I be able to create separate accounts for clients? Yes, Virtualmin (the open source control panel I use) creates separate accounts for clients, with their own control panel that gives them access to their files, database and email. It's also possible (but harder) to set up individual accounts without any control panel at all. Note though that one big advantage of commercial "reseller" programs like WHM is they take care of billing and provisioning in an integrated package. (I do mine separately using CiviCRM, which is another useful open-source program). Phil McKerracher www.beeches.it Not a hosting company, but I fix hosting problems Outside of a handful months where I hit 25+GB, I'm well under 15GB/month for bandwidth As suspected, you are about average for most resellers in your bandwidth use. So any of the standard offerings from most VPS companys would work for you without any issues. Quote Originally Posted by dubLeE View Post I am willing to push my budget but I think $100/month would be the maximum. The reason for changing/upgrading is because I notice the slow load times of website and I've run into countless times where I need to load data into or out of Wordpress, I am unable to for various reasons due to the constraints of a shared environment. When I approach my host about it, they recommend upgrading to a VPS or dedicated server. Maybe the other option for me to consider is to change to another reseller host but I could run into a similar issue down the road with a new host as well. At $100 budget your well within the ball park of getting a replacement for your reseller plan. As I previously mentioned in most VPS configurations, you are better off spending more money on ram then you a Litespeed license as most of the speed issues these days are not related to Apache, but poorly coded MySQL databases, which drives the ram use up. You know you want a control panel of sometime. The nice thing about cPanel is because you are currently on cPanel you understand it, at least to some extent. But also cPanel is one of the easiest control panels to transfer accounts from one server to another. With other control panels often many parts of an account are a manual transfer, etc. While its often cheaper, a good rule of thumb would to be to use $15/mo for cPanel in budget planning (Retail is $20). Next decision is do you want Cloudlinux? As mentioned it helps add limitations to accounts, so one account can not take over the server. It also adds support for older PHP versions. Budget for this should also be $15/mo WHMCS - Some hosting companies are still part of their reseller hosting companies, but many let it go recent years when WHMCS changed their pricing module. If you are looking at buying directly, you start at $16/mo SO assuming you want Cloudlinux Total Budget $100 cPanel -$15 Cloudlinux -$15 WHMCS -$16 Balance for Hardware $54 This should leave more then enough for enough hardware to give you a great solution. As far as Spam Filtering. I would start with the newest changes cPanel has started configuring. Then if you find this is not providing what you want you can look at one of them many other options. One common practice is to resell SpamExperts through WHMCS to your clients, so the clients that want the very best become an extra revenue source. Tony Holloway Delivering Custom Hosting Solutions Since January 2004 madRooster.com Fun Name ... Serious Solutions I appreciate all of the information from this thread! Thank you! le domaine de l'orangeraie cardi b make money move mp3 hyperfilter.com make money 24/7 hosting define host your own radio show how does jay z make money now zap hosting forum s domain laplace wordlinx.com a host of angels