Seeking Advice: Vultr VPS vs "Unlimited" Reseller I'm not going to mention the provider, but I've been with one for nearly two years. A dozen or so WP sites and a TON of email on a VPS. Outside of email delivery issues they've been great, and support has been fantastic. However, after many issues with email deliverability, I've decided to move that side of things to Office 365, and it has been great so far. But to cut costs, I moved the websites from my snappy VPS to a reseller account (and they handled the migration completely). The I/O limits seemed overly restrictive to me at 3MB/s. My WP backend was crawling, some processes started hanging, just not happy. ++++++++++++++ list of top cheapest host http://Listfreetop.pw Top 200 best traffic exchange sites http://Listfreetop.pw/surf free link exchange sites list http://Listfreetop.pw/links list of top ptc sites list of top ptp sites Listfreetop.pw Listfreetop.pw +++++++++++++++ I put in the time to migrate websites to a Vultr NVMe node set up through Runcloud (I'm no sysadmin for sure), and they're running great. Faster on front and back. No Litespeed, but NGINX and Redis have them moving fast. When I put in the cancellation with the old service and explained why, I got the "I'll lift all the I/O, CPU, and RAM limits" sales pitch to stay. I said really? And got back... "That's correct, I will remove them completely - You will be able to see this from inside of your cPanel. They are loading faster on the VPS because there are no limits. However, it's still a VPS most likely without LiteSpeed, LS-Cache, NVMeSSD drives (those are not the same as regular SSD drives), Imunify360, and a server with 48+ GB of memory you will have access to spike to." This makes me worry that they are either 1) desperate to keep business, or 2) WAY overselling servers. Am I out of bounds for thinking this way and just paranoid? I honestly felt bad leaving them because their support has been pretty great, other than the email issues. BUT, I've put in a ton of time already to migrate. Pricing will be basically the same between the old provider's reseller account and a Vultr node with Runcloud because I'm dumb. :-) Stick with Vultr NVMe node and Runcloud. If the host is removing all limits, its just another run of mill cpanel host but in this instance without the resource constraints applied - i.e. a non cloudlinux cpanel host, you won't be the only customer benefitting from such sales pitch... Reminds me of https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BOrhMcqx6vw MattF - Since the start.. I put in the time to migrate websites to a Vultr NVMe node set up through Runcloud (I'm no sysadmin for sure), and they're running great. Faster on front and back. No Litespeed, but NGINX and Redis have them moving fast. You might want to take into consideration that a VPS will need regular maintenance. If you are not a sysadmin, you might want to move to a reseller plan. Regarding unlimited reseller plans, it is better to know your limits upfront than some vague definition of unlimited. It is a marketing term, in reality, unlimited providers put more limits than limited providers. Same goes for SSD. SSD allows higher I/O which in turn allows putting more clients on the server. The benefits are entirely for the provider. Look for I/O limits instead. If it's an OpenVZ VPS then you are probably sharing these resource limits with other customers on the same machine so it is not dedicated to you. It might run good now but if they are overselling you gonna run into trouble. Vultr system is good, you can compare VPS speed on https://www.vpsbenchmarks.com If you are on a managed VPS i'd stick with it. As you will get better performance for 12 Wordpress sites on a VPS then with a Reseller account, most decent CPanel hosts are charging a lot for better higher spec reseller accounts now a days, so it is just as cheap to go managed VPS. Moving your email to a dedicated email provider was a good idea as well, only issue is the default Spam filtering with Office365 is not that great. I mean its better then nothing, but if you start getting a stack of spam, look at a partner that can give you better spam and virus filtering for your dedicated platform. A lot of the enterprise spam filtering providers only sell through partners. CPK Web Services Fully managed website hosting for every business. Get in touch https://www.cpkws.com.au/contact-us.php This makes me worry that they are either 1) desperate to keep business, or 2) WAY overselling servers. Am I out of bounds for thinking this way and just paranoid? I honestly felt bad leaving them because their support has been pretty great, other than the email issues. BUT, I've put in a ton of time already to migrate. Pricing will be basically the same between the old provider's reseller account and a Vultr node with Runcloud because I'm dumb. :-) They just want to keep your business, what is wrong with that? You have been with this provider for almost 2 years, that is just some proof of how happy you are with this provider. If there is no problem, then I would stay but if you want to learn some managing a VPS yourself, you may grab the vultr vps but remember, VPS is not just power you need to worry about. There is some optimization, security and monitoring..... make sure you can handle these things. Good luck! Specially 4 You ||| Elevate Your Sites . JoneSolutions.Com ( Jones.Solutions or Jones.Hosting ) is on the net 24/7 providing stable and reliable web hosting solutions and services since 2001 When I put in the cancellation with the old service and explained why, I got the "I'll lift all the I/O, CPU, and RAM limits" sales pitch to stay. I said really? And got back... Classic. Focus on the customer when they're leaving. Not while they're there. Quote Originally Posted by net View Post They just want to keep your business, what is wrong with that? You have been with this provider for almost 2 years, that is just some proof of how happy you are with this provider. Staying and being happy...there's many situations where unhappiness went on for years and the person felt stuck. In Ontario, we only have 3 or 4 major Internet providers, and a handful of smaller ones that lease lines from the majors. If a service is $100 a month (because they can do this with the current monopoly) and you call to cancel, all of a sudden they will offer you $25 a month. What's sad...the service was only worth $25 to begin with. Go with a "reseller" (which we did) and they offer the identical service for $25. Then, after you cancel, you will get countless calls, letters, and now sales people going door to door begging to come back to them. It's really pathetic. Just offer good service, no billing issues, and a decent price while I'm a customer. Not after. As you will get better performance for 12 Wordpress sites on a VPS then with a Reseller account, If it's a decent basic VPS package, a decent reseller account will triumph over the VPS in terms of performance for 12 WordPress sites. If you are on a managed VPS i'd stick with it. I'm not aware of Vultr offering management. Quote Originally Posted by net View Post Twith this provider for almost 2 years, that is just some proof of how happy you are with this provider. I don't agree with this statement. As @WPCYCLE wrote, some feel trapped. Others simply don't know how crappy their service is until it manages to get worse, and they're amazed at how much better other services are. || Need a good host? || See my Suggested Hosts List || Editorial: EIG/Site5/Arvixe/Hostgator Alternatives I don't agree with this statement. As @WPCYCLE wrote, some feel trapped. Others simply don't know how crappy their service is until it manages to get worse, and they're amazed at how much better other services are. That is your opinion and I got mine. You have choices. You can be forced to be trapped or you can do something about it and move. If you are not happy with your host, experiencing more down time, etc.... you should do whatever you can to fix it. You do not need to suffer for 2 years to wait for a miracle. That is your opinion and I got mine. You have choices. You can be forced to be trapped or you can do something about it and move. If you are not happy with your host, experiencing more down time, etc.... you should do whatever you can to fix it. You do not need to suffer for 2 years to wait for a miracle. I also agree with @kpmedia. You have to look at it from the customers point of view who are usually novices to this. Those who know...when an issue arises, backup, setup another account, change IP's, up and running in no time. People who don't know...come on here or social media looking for help, and sometimes when help is suggested, they will push back and say they paid for 12 or 24 months and will wait out the remaining XX months, even though it sucks. They either don't realize they can move, or try to justify or accept the bad service because they paid into it, when we know, staying with the bad host is spending 110 times more that you paid for it. Move to a good host that even costs slightly more, and it's completely worth it due to zero issues. If it's a decent basic VPS package, a decent reseller account will triumph over the VPS in terms of performance for 12 WordPress sites. thats interesting...i run a vps with wordpress sites and i would say the complete opposite is true for me. One could easily setup a vultr vps very cheaply to do this. Its just a matter of making sure the webserver is configured such that it's not burning resources unnecessarily. You can offset the cpanel cost by using a control panel such as Virtualmin or Centos-Webpanel (I use both, Virtualmin is the more reliable of the two at the moment, however, CWP is rapidly improving) having said that, being on a reseller account is almost zero workload by comparison...and in that way, its a great idea unless one has lots of website clients and is happy to dramatically increase workload to maximise profits per client. thats interesting...i run a vps with wordpress sites and i would say the complete opposite is true for me. One could easily setup a vultr vps very cheaply to do this. Its just a matter of making sure the webserver is configured such that it's not burning resources unnecessarily. You can offset the cpanel cost by using a control panel such as Virtualmin or Centos-Webpanel (I use both, Virtualmin is the more reliable of the two at the moment, however, CWP is rapidly improving) having said that, being on a reseller account is almost zero workload by comparison...and in that way, its a great idea unless one has lots of website clients and is happy to dramatically increase workload to maximise profits per client. Most Cpanel providers are limiting the amount of accounts you can host due to the per account pricing that Cpanel has introduced. So buying a managed VPS would actually give you more resources. I mention a managed VPS, because it is a pretty big step moving from a shared reseller account to hosting your own Virtual server ware you need to take care of all the system admin stuff including security. CPK Web Services Fully managed website hosting for every business. Get in touch https://www.cpkws.com.au/contact-us.php I'm not going to mention the provider, but I've been with one for nearly two years. A dozen or so WP sites and a TON of email on a VPS. Outside of email delivery issues they've been great, and support has been fantastic. However, after many issues with email deliverability, I've decided to move that side of things to Office 365, and it has been great so far. But to cut costs, I moved the websites from my snappy VPS to a reseller account (and they handled the migration completely). The I/O limits seemed overly restrictive to me at 3MB/s. My WP backend was crawling, some processes started hanging, just not happy. I put in the time to migrate websites to a Vultr NVMe node set up through Runcloud (I'm no sysadmin for sure), and they're running great. Faster on front and back. No Litespeed, but NGINX and Redis have them moving fast. When I put in the cancellation with the old service and explained why, I got the "I'll lift all the I/O, CPU, and RAM limits" sales pitch to stay. I said really? And got back... "That's correct, I will remove them completely - You will be able to see this from inside of your cPanel. They are loading faster on the VPS because there are no limits. However, it's still a VPS most likely without LiteSpeed, LS-Cache, NVMeSSD drives (those are not the same as regular SSD drives), Imunify360, and a server with 48+ GB of memory you will have access to spike to." This makes me worry that they are either 1) desperate to keep business, or 2) WAY overselling servers. Am I out of bounds for thinking this way and just paranoid? I honestly felt bad leaving them because their support has been pretty great, other than the email issues. BUT, I've put in a ton of time already to migrate. Pricing will be basically the same between the old provider's reseller account and a Vultr node with Runcloud because I'm dumb. :-) If you are happy with Runcloud stick with Vultr, if you want cPanel stick with your reseller account. Most Cpanel providers are limiting the amount of accounts you can host due to the per account pricing that Cpanel has introduced. So buying a managed VPS would actually give you more resources. I mention a managed VPS, because it is a pretty big step moving from a shared reseller account to hosting your own Virtual server ware you need to take care of all the system admin stuff including security. Quote Originally Posted by goannawebsites View Post thats interesting...i run a vps with wordpress sites and i would say the complete opposite is true for me. One could easily setup a vultr vps very cheaply to do this. Its just a matter of making sure the webserver is configured such that it's not burning resources unnecessarily. You can offset the cpanel cost by using a control panel such as Virtualmin or Centos-Webpanel (I use both, Virtualmin is the more reliable of the two at the moment, however, CWP is rapidly improving) having said that, being on a reseller account is almost zero workload by comparison...and in that way, its a great idea unless one has lots of website clients and is happy to dramatically increase workload to maximise profits per client. Quote Originally Posted by MechanicWeb-shoss View Post If it's a decent basic VPS package, a decent reseller account will triumph over the VPS in terms of performance for 12 WordPress sites. It all depends on the provider, configuration, and user. A VPS with the right configuration would outperform a Reseller account since most Resellers use cPanel and are configured to have limits, but a VPS could also perform terribly if its setup the same way as the Reseller, and if the overall management is not focused on. Quote Originally Posted by goannawebsites View Post thats interesting...i run a vps with wordpress sites and i would say the complete opposite is true for me. One could easily setup a vultr vps very cheaply to do this. Its just a matter of making sure the webserver is configured such that it's not burning resources unnecessarily. You can offset the cpanel cost by using a control panel such as Virtualmin or Centos-Webpanel (I use both, Virtualmin is the more reliable of the two at the moment, however, CWP is rapidly improving) having said that, being on a reseller account is almost zero workload by comparison...and in that way, its a great idea unless one has lots of website clients and is happy to dramatically increase workload to maximise profits per client. When you are hosting multiple sites much like a shared hosting, the more the sites are, the more the chances that a reseller account will outperform a VPS. For example, take a decent reseller account that has 1 CPU and 1 GB RAM per cPanel account. If you create 12 cPanel accounts and host each of your sites under each of these accounts, the overall performance of these 12 sites will outperform a VPS with 2 CPU core + 2 GB RAM regardless of how well configured your VPS is. Because with 12 cPanel accounts, you will have 12 CPUs and 12 GB RAM at your expense. If you consider to host 50 sites, good luck with a VPS, unless the VPS costs close to a dedicated server. VPS is good to host single sites. For shared hosting, you need reseller account or dedi. Some prefer VPS purely because it is VPS and it is one step 'above' shared hosting. VPSes have their own issues with underlying software. Only its use cases are different compared to shared hosting. Now if you can manage your own VPS, that gives you an advantage and you can leverage that as some VPSes cost less than a shared hosting account. But for 50 sites, a reseller account would be more cost effective. la host home a domain of one's own man2cut.com make money 4 acres land 0.domaincomponent hosting y dominio barato make money 15 years old traffictoons.com make money google maps www.btcpromise.com domain happy hour Most Cpanel providers are limiting the amount of accounts you can host due to the per account pricing that Cpanel has introduced. So buying a managed VPS would actually give you more resources. I mention a managed VPS, because it is a pretty big step moving from a shared reseller account to hosting your own Virtual server ware you need to take care of all the system admin stuff including security. I would suggest getting 100/200 clients under multiple reseller accounts and then skip the VPS and get a managed dedi. An E3-1230 dedi can outperform many beefy VPSes in the same price point. But yes, if you are moving to a dedi from reseller accounts, a managed solution is recommended unless you can manage your own server. Now if you can manage your own VPS, that gives you an advantage and you can leverage that as some VPSes cost less than a shared hosting account. But for 50 sites, a reseller account would be more cost effective. hmmm, i very much doubt that. The scalability of VPS on networks such as google, amazon, and even Azure will suggest otherwise. I would never see any financial benefit of reseller over VPS other than workload and the requirement for virtually no knowledge. Reseller plans are webhosting provider for dummies. The equation is pretty much always the same...when starting out, one gets whitelabel reseller. given some experience, knowledge, and the need to actually make some money and be able to customize plans...VPS. After that, quite often dedicated takes over. Although in this day and age, i would suggest a single dedicated system is a recipe for disaster for hosting as there is no redundancy. Just my thoughts hmmm, i very much doubt that. The scalability of VPS on networks such as google, amazon, and even Azure will suggest otherwise. Scalability has little to do when it comes to security, stability or performance, unless you are hosting a mission critical/geo-aware/load-balanced application. 99.99% of the websites do not fall under this category. The platforms you are comparing with a reseller hosting are cloud platforms. They have both advantages and disadvantages compared to a reseller hosting. Even on a cloud with 2 CPU Cores, you will not get the performance of 10 CPU Cores. And they are more expensive than a reseller hosting, not to mention that one will need more knowledge than vanilla server administration. when starting out, one gets whitelabel reseller. given some experience, knowledge, and the need to actually make some money and be able to customize plans...VPS. Going with a VPS is never a good idea to offer shared hosting. You can create custom plans with a reseller hosting. You could just skip the VPS and go with a dedi for almost the same price. E3s now cost about the same. Although in this day and age, i would suggest a single dedicated system is a recipe for disaster for hosting as there is no redundancy. Depends on your requirement and budget. For most people, RAID10 + Daily Backup work just fine. Going with a VPS is never a good idea to offer shared hosting. You can create custom plans with a reseller hosting. You could just skip the VPS and go with a dedi for almost the same price. E3s now cost about the same. I am not 100% sure about that. Many do just that and it works fine. There can be advantages to using a VPS, for example, create a snapshot of the entire instance or attached drive. Useful in case of hardware failure. Even better if using Cloud VPS where main provider can replace faulty hardware and move hosts from DC to DC etc. It would allow recovering data a lot quicker. That said, with better software like Acronis can recover faster with Dedicated Servers too. Still, VPS/Cloud VPS can have its advantages. Fast Host - Cloud Hosting w/ LiteSpeed & Imunify360 Security Acronis can recover faster with Dedicated Servers too. Still, VPS/Cloud VPS can have its advantages. Agreed, also in terms of redundancy a dedicated server and a VPS basically has the same amount, as with a VPS the underlying hardware will have dual Power Supplies and most decent providers have multiple network providers and some even own fiber connectivity. Also you actually can't use load balancing or things like high availability with CloudLinux as the OS won't support it with certain cloud platforms, plus you generally don't need that for shared hosting anyway. To take full advantage of Azure or any of the other major cloud platforms you basically need to engineer your work for it, they are designed for larger enterprises and government workloads not small business websites. A lot of larger organisations actually discover that its cheaper to buy dedicated hardware then to use AWS or Azure. It really depends how much money you want to spend. Also depends on what you are wanting to host as well. CPK Web Services Fully managed website hosting for every business. Get in touch https://www.cpkws.com.au/contact-us.php experience, knowledge, and the need to actually make some money and be able to customize plans...VPS. After that, quite often dedicated takes over. Although in this day and age, i would suggest a single dedicated system is a recipe for disaster for hosting as there is no redundancy. Just my thoughts You have no idea what you are talking about. A single dedicated server with dual PSU and Raid 10 connected to a fully redundant network with DDoS protection and offsite backups could easily host a couple of hundred if not a few thousand websites. This is exactly what the likes of Zuver and other large hosting providers do. Though most shared hosting providers actually virtualise the hardware as they can then fit say 20 servers on to the one dedicated machine but the point still stands. The likes of Crazy Domains to use a large Au / US example as Crazy Domains are now owned by Dreamscape Networks who are being gobbled up by a huge US provider as we speak but this also messes up your VPS argument as well. This is pretty much how every shared hosting provider operates now a days, 10 or 15 years ago it was all done on expensive dedicated servers, now those servers with newer hardware are all running customers accounts on VMs. CPK Web Services Fully managed website hosting for every business. Get in touch https://www.cpkws.com.au/contact-us.php Acronis can recover faster with Dedicated Servers too. Still, VPS/Cloud VPS can have its advantages. Acronis works pretty good with VPS servers as well. Been using it since late August as a replacement for Jet Backup with Plesk. Been using it since late August as a replacement for Jet Backup with Plesk. Yes, it does work just as good with VPS. Can be easier to work within some cases. I only mentioned dedicated server because it is not possible to take a snapshot of a dedicated server as easy as you can with VPS i.e I do not know of any providers who offer an option to backup the entire dedicated server afaik. But thanks to Acronis you can backup the entire dedicated server yourself which is excellent. machine from one server to another with no downtime. If you are talking old school hardware based servers, or Bare Metal, then no not as easy to move without something like Acronis, but that is why VMWare is so popular in the enterprise space. I think some points are missed here. If someone has the knowledge of how to operate a VPS, then a $5 VPS could be equal or outperform a $50 VPS, but only if were talking about 1 or 2 websites. If someone is trying to stack 50+ websites on the $5 VPS or even the $50 VPS, it doesn't make sense. Only unless all 50 websites have 50 visitors a day. With the right configuration, a VPS could handle a lot of traffic, more than what most would realize, but only if it's for 1 or 2 websites. Also, selling Shared on a VPS is basically doing the same Mega Alpha Proton Laserbeak Reseller nonsense that existed years ago. 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