I love his smile and laugh Michael looked the happiest during Off the Wall and Thriller eras. From the 70's and until 86 he looked naturally happy, fresh and light even though during this time the vitligo started appear. It's sad, but I think Diana's marriage was the start along with others things for that sad,lonely and reclusive Michael. Actually, what you have said is very possible about MJ's choices and why bc who knows except his wives what transpired in their marriages and conversations so I wouldn't bet they are impossible. It would be more CREDIBLE to have a link of your claims about MJ. Some obsessed lm stans could very well be a part of sending those things to you as well bc of what you said about her as a surrogate whereas DRoss was the LOVE of MJ's life. Actually, what you have said is very possible about MJ's choices and why bc who knows except his wives what transpired in their marriages and conversations so I wouldn't bet they are impossible. It would be more CREDIBLE to have a link of your claims about MJ. Some obsessed lm stans could very well be a part of sending those things to you as well bc of what you said about her as a surrogate whereas DRoss was the LOVE of MJ's life. Well, we all know how MJ was very private about things, he hardly talked about nothing, except for his music and dancing, and he hated interviews. So the only thing we have as sources is those close to him, such as his former wives, family, dates, etc. Not only did Debbie say she gave MJ children as a 'gift', but MJ said so himself in the video that Debbie gave him children as a 'gift', 'a lovely gesture'. Now who gives their husband children as a gift and lovely gesture? When you are married and in love, kids automatically become a part of the family, not a gift or lovely gesture, only surrogates do that, in which Debbie did, because she was nothing but a surrogate. Anyone else such as Debbie Rowe fans who say MJ married Debbie because he loved her, have absolutely no sources or credibility, because even Debbie said she and MJ only married so the kids wouldn't be born out of wedlock, so where can they get their source from that MJ married Debbie because he loved her? The internet that trys to make Debbie look good? Sorry, that's not a reliable source. I'd whether go with the best source there is, out of Debbie's own mouth, who was the one who was married to MJ and gave him children, who says she only married MJ so the kids wouldn't be born out of wedlock, and gave MJ children as a gift, in which MJ also admits to. And I believe Debbie when she said she and MJ only married so the kids wouldn't be born out of wedlock, because she was already 6 months pregnant before she and Michael married, and we all know MJ did not believe in having children out of wedlock if he was in a relationship with that person. The only reason that would cause MJ to have children outside of marriage is if he wasn't in a relationship with that person and was only using a surrogate, in which happened with Debbie, which is why she was already 6 months pregnant, more than half through her pregnancy before she and MJ married, because Debbie was only a surrogate. But sense MJ just got out of a marriage with Lisa not too long ago from the time he was with Debbie, he had to still make his image look good, and make it look good on the children, so the children wouldn't suffer persecution by the media of being out of wed-lock babies, and that's why Debbie and MJ married. MJ said the kids were his biological kids, but in all reality they are Debbie Rowe and Arnold Klein's kids who helped give MJ children. So the only reliable source is from those very close to MJ, such as his former wives, family, dates, and friends. Well, we all know how MJ was very private about things, he hardly talked about nothing, except for his music and dancing, and he hated interviews. So the only thing we have as sources is those close to him, such as his former wives, family, dates, etc. If Debbie Rowe who gave MJ children, and once was his wife says that they only married so the children wouldn't be born out of wedlock, and said she gave MJ children as a 'gift', as said in this video , then we have credible reason that it's true. Not only did Debbie say she gave MJ children as a 'gift', but MJ said so himself in the video that Debbie gave him children as a 'gift', 'a lovely gesture'. Now who gives their husband children as a gift and lovely gesture? When you are married and in love, kids automatically become a part of the family, not a gift or lovely gesture, only surrogates do that, in which Debbie did, because she was nothing but a surrogate. Anyone else such as Debbie Rowe fans who say MJ married Debbie because he loved her, have absolutely no sources or credibility, because even Debbie said she and MJ only married so the kids wouldn't be born out of wedlock, so where can they get their source from that MJ married Debbie because he loved her? The internet that trys to make Debbie look good? Sorry, that's not a reliable source. I'd whether go with the best source there is, out of Debbie's own mouth, who was the one who was married to MJ and gave him children, who says she only married MJ so the kids wouldn't be born out of wedlock, and gave MJ children as a gift, in which MJ also admits to. And I believe Debbie when she said she and MJ only married so the kids wouldn't be born out of wedlock, because she was already 6 months pregnant before she and Michael married, and we all know MJ did not believe in having children out of wedlock if he was in a relationship with that person. The only reason that would cause MJ to have children outside of marriage is if he wasn't in a relationship with that person and was only using a surrogate, in which happened with Debbie, which is why she was already 6 months pregnant, more than half through her pregnancy before she and MJ married, because Debbie was only a surrogate. But sense MJ just got out of a marriage with Lisa not too long ago from the time he was with Debbie, he had to still make his image look good, and make it look good on the children, so the children wouldn't suffer persecution by the media of being out of wed-lock babies, and that's why Debbie and MJ married. Debbie says so in this video Sorry, but you're not going to get much info out of MJ. MJ said the kids were his biological kids, but in all reality they are Debbie Rowe and Arnold Klein's kids who helped give MJ children. So the only reliable source is from those very close to MJ, such as his former wives, family, dates, and friends. I think she was in love with him too. It was pretty much written all over their faces and they both told whoever would listen that they loved each other. It wasn't just 'cute' or 'special'. Michael obviously loved her his whole life. He said so, and his actions say so. My personal favorite is the tackle hug he used to give her. He never looked that joyful, ecstatic even, around anyone else. Diana was the love of his life. I agree Diana was the love of his life. I also love watching that video of them when they did Upside down together I loved how he held her it is so sexy and romantic when you look at it. Also in the beginning of the video how he comes up the stage he had his arm grabbing around her waist so she can come closer to him that was hot. Diana was glowing in that video too. Even the photographer of that intimate photoshoot said they were adorable with each other. I agree as well that it is unfair to say that Michael's love for Diana was stronger than her love for him, I just think that Michael finds it much easier to express his love for Diana in public, whereas it think Diana was more reserved when they are together in public, that doesn't mean that she loved him any less and sometimes she couldn't help showing her true feelings for Michael in public, I just think that she is more weary and cautious but I bet it is a different matter when they together privately. It was pretty much written all over their faces and they both told whoever would listen that they loved each other. It wasn't just 'cute' or 'special'. Michael obviously loved her his whole life. He said so, and his actions say so. My personal favorite is the tackle hugs he used to give her. He never looked that joyful, ecstatic even, around anyone else. Diana was the love of his life. I totally agree that MJ loved Diana all he's life. We all know MJ started loving Diana when he was just a little boy, and then he left her in his Will out of all people to have and take care of his children if something were to happen to his mother Katherine, which of course was during the end of his life, which makes this his whole entire life loving Diana. MJ tells us indirectly that he loved Diana all his life during several live performances of IJCSLY, at the end of the song. I mean who else did he love all his life but Diana Ross. He doesn't say that in the album version of the song, only during some live performances. MJ let it all out sometimes during live performances, lol. It's the little hidden indirect things I find in Michael that unfolds his secrets, even though many don't recognize it or understand it, but I do, lol : Oh, and just to add, Tatiana T. Anyway, I wondering why Seidah Garrett who sang duet with MJ for the song IJCSLY, never performed it live with MJ during the Bad era, only during the Dangerous era? Everyone else's opinion is good, but I have to agree with you on this particular subject, because even though Diana loved MJ very much, I believe MJ loved Diana more than Diana loved Michael, and here's why: If Diana loved MJ as much as MJ loved her, MJ would be alive today married to Diana. If Diana loved MJ as much as MJ loved her, she would have not cared about what the media and press thought regarding their relationship, just as MJ didn't care. MJ's love for Diana was greater than his concern about what the media and press would think regarding their relationship, whereas Diana's concern about the media and press was greater than her love for MJ, otherwise she would of found a way and married MJ. Don't get me wrong, as said before, Diana loved MJ very much, she was in love with him, but it seems by comparing their opinions and actions regarding their relationship, MJ loved Diana more than Diana loved MJ. But who cares, as long as both loved each other very much. And besides, there may be many couples in relationships who love the other more, as long as they both love each other, that's all that really matter MJ loved someone special for a long time.... They NEVER talked about their personal deep feelings about each other as a couple and she prob never will IF something romantic happened between them. Still, he seemed very happy with her during that time but after she married, he seemed very hurt. So was it just infatuation on his part or were they secretly involved at some point.... MJ loved someone special for a long time.... They NEVER talked about their personal deep feelings about each other as a couple and she prob never will IF something romantic happened between them. Still, he seemed very happy with her during that time but after she married, he seemed very hurt. So was it just infatuation on his part or were they secretly involved at some point.... No, it wasn't only infatuation on MJ's part, because Diana promised to marry him, they agreed to marry. So I believe basically MJ was saying that it was all in his own mind that he would be with Diana, and they would get married and live happily ever after, but it was only in his head that this would be. Or it could be that MJ had conflicting feelings about his relationship with Diana, not knowing if the relationship was sided or not, because who just goes off and marry without consulting someone you were so close to and told your deepest secrets to. MJ said that he shared some of the most private of secrets with Diana, and Diana did as well to Michael, according to MJ's 1983 Beat-It interview. Diana's name was also on a name tag in the 'Who is it' video. MJ was obviously talking about Diana in his 'Who is it' song. What I can't understand is why MJ did not pick up a phone and ask Diana why she didn't marry him, and left him for another guy if it bothered him that much that Diana left him for another, he should of had a talk with Diana about it. MJ also said in the 1993 Oprah interview that Diana Ross was someone who could 'quench his desire', which is a lyric from the 'Give into me' song, so maybe that song is about her too. Also, it seems in that song GITM that he's talking about a woman who's hurt him and got a kick out of doing it, which sort fits Diana's description perfectly, according to how MJ saw his relationship with Diana during that conversation during the 'Glenda Calls'. All, I can say is that MJ seemed just as confused about his relationship with Diana as his fans are, according to some of his songs, lol. I just hope maybe they talked it through. I am sorry but Michael lied about that song being about paparazzi. If you listen to the lyrics he is talking about again a woman leaving him for another man and how he felt hurt and deceived by the woman. In some of his songs he talks about this suppose marriage. I do not know why Diana left. Do you remember back in 1986 he looked like he had gained some weight I think he gained that weight becuse he was sad about their break-up and he just did not care anymore and just ate. MJ loved someone special for a long time.... They NEVER talked about their personal deep feelings about each other as a couple and she prob never will IF something romantic happened between them. Still, he seemed very happy with her during that time but after she married, he seemed very hurt. So was it just infatuation on his part or were they secretly involved at some point.... I think that when Michael said that it was all in his head, I don't think he was saying that it was all in his head him being in a secret relationship with diana, I think he meant that it was all in his head that he actually thought that their relationship is going in a way that he thought he was eventually going to marry her and have a family with her. Maybe in a way that was wishful thinking on michael's part, as I am sure he would have know realistically that no way would diana had agree to go public with their relationship, considering the history between them, the age difference and how fans, family and friends might react. Slightly off topic but I thought it was interesting. Now it's come out that he also claimed to have slept with Diana. What is it with Diana's alleged men that they feel the need to diss MJ, are they insecure about something? A 48-year-old woman who cannot be named said she went to see the celebrity publicist for career advice in 1983. He also told her she could get a part in a James Bond film, the woman said. Mr Clifford, 70, from Hersham, Surrey, denies 11 counts of indecent assault relating to seven alleged victims, aged from 14 to 19, between 1966 and 1984. She said Mr Clifford told her he made people's careers and had slept with singer Diana Ross. Mr Clifford told the teenager she needed to get some publicity, and that it was very important she was seen with the right person, she said. She said she confided in her sister and some friends, and contacted police when she saw Mr Clifford had been arrested. The woman, who cannot be named, told the court the incident happened at a Spanish holiday resort.
