Just beware plenty of fake vendor trying to sell you guide that never
works and attempt to create fake impression that his/her method is
actually working. in fact, after i carefully studied his post.. there are
big flaws and never can achieve what the vendor claims
usually the first thing you have to pay attention is the username, those
conman usually use prestigious nickname like Doctor, phd, lawyer,
principal, professor, etc.. followed by their post boasting living in
mansion, with ferrari, hot chicks, swimming pool, etc. they also publicly
claimed his method made 100 - 200k.. in reality that probably means 1 or
2k only. usually they telling you gonna reveal the method most likely
because their own method about to get saturated
i have nothing against "Dr.Clean" but it seems the evo forum is becoming
playground for con-artist, filled with fantasy story teller and its
dissapointing not a lot of ppl talk about proper fraud anymore. however
some of his advice seems useful in some aspect so here is the post. but
when you read further you'll realize he contradict himself as well..such
as u have to call paypal immediately, but later saying we are not
encouraged to call paypal and just send in scans. he also claimed using
ebay scams..but later said ebay scam method is not preferred lol..he also
didnt tell us anything about the ebay fees..apparently this gonna eat up
lots ur money when in the process of creating fake ebay feedback..bcoz u
need to remove ebay selling limitation before can start the scams.. and
using fullz to create paypal account.. this may not resulting in sucess
because if the same fullz has been used by the original owner. you
obviously cant create the paypal account again. he also claimed using
whonix, openvpn setup..but
later saying preferred just use dedicated ip..lol
Dr.Clean wrote:
The majority of people believe all that entails in aging a pay pal is
send money from one paypal account you own to another account you own
back and forth but that is not the case. The problem that arrives is that
the majority of people when aging an account trigger pay pals security
algorithms because they create a very abnormal payment pattern. They will
age an account with completely clean funds using accounts they have
access to and nothing else and then decide one day that they will try to
send dirty money to the account from locations that do not match the
pattern the account has created and then wonder why the account was
flagged and placed on restriction. The pattern became abnormal.
We must create a pattern that matches the payment location, amounts,
frequency and pattern that pay pals security programs will see when they
are analyzing payment validity. How do you do this? Hook your paypal to a
gateway or an online store (tictail, shopify) or a gateway(freelance
sites, ecommerce etc anything in which it is normal to get paid very
large amounts in one transaction) Buy prepaid cards from different
countries, make large legitimate payments from different cards and
different locations etc try to shy away from rounded amounts like 1k 2k
5k etc include decimal amounts( like 5005.67, 3010.35) in the payments
rounded payments with no taxes consistently will trigger the security
algorithms
Pay pal is looking at unverified accounts receiving large amounts from
the point of creation
Location, age, amount, frequency, and where the source of said funds.
All you will need is a document scan vendor to get a paypal unrestricted,
I create my own scans but a good vendor should be good enough to pass, be
sure to use a scan that looks legitimate and not a altered scan
If you are ever flagged be sure to call paypal immediately and appear
extremely dismayed ( remember you are a legit customer and this is your
money you MUST make PP think this to get unrestricted. Present the
correct documentation and if it they don't just put you on hold and ask
to many questions simply hang up and call back, you will get an agent who
really could care less eventually and will probably verified the
documents as long as they look somewhat legit.
Summary : abnormal pattern
Aging paypal : do not transfer back and forth to the multiple paypal
accounts you own. after a while, this will have a pattern..then one day,
when you try transfer a dirty fund from another account.. this creates
abnormal pattern. so paypal security triggered and limits/restricted your
account.
so you must create a normal pattern. normal patterns means like payment
location, amounts, frequency
hook paypal to a gateway
-tictail
-shopify
-freelance site
get prepaid cards from different country (this steps is rather difficult,
he only shows me buy usa prepaid card from Saguaro at evo marketplace),
make large legit transaction like 1k, 2k,
-do not use rounded amount like $1000, $2000, $3000, $4000, this will
trigger security
-use decimal amounts, for eg: $1025.35, $2310.50, $3504.10
all the account used in the process must be verified. if account
restricted, be prepared with the scans
if flagged, call paypal immediately(use spooftel) and appear extremely
dismayed, must make paypal think you want this resolved asap. if agent
ask too many questions, just hang up and call back, until you get an
agent couldnt care less and will probably verify the docs as long as they
look somewhat legit.
Dr.Clean wrote:
I wouldn't recommend trying to SE the restriction seeing how easy it is
to get doc scans on the market and even the clearnet if you know where to
go (and they are dirt cheap really for the money you make from them), Ive
only gotten one account off of hold without the correct documentation and
I still cant figure out how I did it, I account it to incompetence on the
part of the agent I was speaking with and not my SE skills( even though I
have acquired high quality SE skills especially with pay-pal agents) Just
buy Doc Scans.
Summary :
Not recommended to call/social engineer the restriction, you can get docs
scans easily and its cheap
Dr.Clean wrote:
I find that the accounts from buyvcc majority of the time are not
verified(unless you ask them directly for a verified account and become
restricted and need doc scans very easily after the first couple of
transfers I have yet to have an account from buyvcc that doesn't
eventually get restricted(not that it matter if you have a good source
for doc scans.
But for setting up a paypal ring they are great funding/ and cashout
accounts( some of the best) especially if you are using eBay scams to
fund you paypal ring because you can pay extra money to have a ebay
account already linked to the account from buyvcc. ( honestly it is
better to let your account become limited and then have it unrestricted
it lifts the transfer limits to almost double on personal and premier
accounts and triple for business accounts) So for the cashout account or
the funding account I would reccomend buying from vcc allowing it to
become limited at the end of the aging process and un restricting the
account to have the account cashout limits lifted.
For middle man accounts (which assist in cleaning the funds) I would
reccomend buying fullz and creating an account yourself. Simply because
you can get great fullz with valid information for opening a mirad of
middle man accounts in bulk( paypal is less likely to chargeback money
thats bounced through 4 or more accounts and even if it has it will not
put your cashout account in the minus it will take the money from the
first line middle man accounts or wherever they think the fraud occurred
from) I call these accounts the throw away middle man accounts as they
will more than likely go into the negative when the chargeback hits and
you will have to throw them away. Giving you the chance to constantly be
moving the accounts from the back line to the front line when you must
create more accounts (I would at least recommend keeping 5 middle man
accounts and rotate them in the order which they receive payment from
oldest first to youngest last) this way you can constantly update your
pay pal ring when accounts
become throwaway first lines.
Summary :
buyvcc account, great for funding and cashout account.
to fund the account, do it via ebay scams. buyvcc acc with options of
ebay acc already linked
then money transfer to another paypal account. known as middle man acc or
paypal ring
to remove the limits of your funding/cashout account.. let it become
limited.. and wait until it unlift. this will increase your transfer
limit, double for personal & premier acc, triple for biz accounts. then
until sending/withdraw limits is unlimited
create middle man accounts method : buy fullz, then create the account
yourself.
when receive money from funding accounts, paypal is less likely
chargeback money that bounced through 4 or more accounts. so at the end,
your cashout account will not affected
the middleman account will get chargeback and in negative, this will be
throwaway accounts.
recommended to have 5 middle man account ready, and when oldest hit with
chargeback, throw it away and replace with new middleman account. do it
in sequential order.. constantly update your paypal ring, from oldest
first to youngest last.
Dr.Clean wrote:
If you want quick funds link your funding account to a payment gateway or
online store and buy bulk cc's and card the funds Redson Elmachioo77 or
another of the great cc vendors will do for the quick dirty funding
method.
If you want somewhat cleaner funds link your pp to a EBAY or any bidding
site and list something that would physically take forever to ship(at
least 2 weeks i.e. a fridge, a safe, something that is rather heavy in
weight) list it at 60-85% of asking price and never ship the item. It
will result in a charge back so if you use this method I would use fullz
to create your funding account because it will get burned eventually
If you want even cleaner funds buy hacked bank accounts preferably TD,
BOA, Wells etc match the info on the PP account to the info on the bank
account and link the bank account to the pay pal account and transfer the
money from your funding account through to your middle man accounts.
Try to match the frequency and transfer amounts that are on the hacked
account not to raise suspicion and try to get high balance business
account (your funding account will get burned eventually so use the info
from the account and try to get an account with the highest value and
most information) also if you use this method try to bounce the funds at
least 3 times. I would reccomend buying fullz buy the bulk from those
with large amounts in the bank or high value credit limits (as they are
less likely to find out that a paypal has been opened in theyre name).
Summary : funding method
1.) link funding account to payment gateway -> buy bulk cc and card the
funds. cc vendor like Redsons, Elmachio77
2.) link funding account to ebay, bidding site. list something that would
physically take forever to ship. at least 2 weeks for eg: fridge, a safe,
heavy in weight. list it 60 - 85% of the retail price and never ship the
item. if you going this route, use fullz to create the paypal account,
same as middle man account method. because will get burned/throw away at
the end.
3.) buy hacked bank accounts - TD, BOA, Wells fargo
funding paypal account link it with the bank logins/number/routing
details u bought
after linked, transfer money to middle man account, the amount of
transfer should be based on history and nearly same amount as not to
raise flag.
get high balance business account will be easier to execute this
transfer the money from funding acc to middleman account, to middleman
acc again..at least go thru 3 middleman account
if going this route, use fullz to create the account, same as middleman
account method, as it will be throw away at the end.
Dr.Clean wrote:
I have at least 3 funding accounts at all times: I usually use Ebay scams
to fund the majority of my funding accounts as the chargeback takes at
least 3-4 weeks if you correctly pull off the scam. Simply match the info
on the Ebay and the funding PP account Link them together and sell
something with substantial weight that would take at least 2-3 weeks to
ship, keep in constant communication with the buyer to delay charge-back
( Ive even shipped a small package to the buyer to be able to provide a
tracking number to the buyers)
Another way is to do a product ratio scale scam. Selling products that
are scale replicas to buyers thinking they are getting a fridge for cheap
only winding up with a 1:15 scale version of the product ( you would be
surprised how many people don't read the product description when they
see a extreme deal on an item.
I personally don't recommend using just middle man to middleman because
your middle man will get burned and you'll constantly have to update your
rings....
I have used the Paypal mastercard but you have to have it shipped a
reshipper using the address that is on the paypal. they will flag the
account occasionally if it goes to far from the address that is on the
paypal unless you call using the phone and phone code that verified the
account and authorized the shipment to the drop address.
Summary :
have 3 funding accounts at all times
use ebay scams as source of funding because it takes at least 3 - 4 weeks
for chargeback if u correctly pull off the scams
ebay account linked with the funding paypal accounts
sell something with really heavy, takes 2 - 3 weeks to ship. keep in
constant communication with buyer to delay chargeback
another way is product ratio scam, 1:15 replica items.. ppl dont read
description when see extreme deal on the item
dont recommend midlle man to middle man..because it will get burned and
need to update your rings
Dr.Clean wrote:
Yea I would never put the cashout and middle man accounts in the same
location, it looks weird to the security program algorithms because
usually paypal payments come from all over the country and or world
depending on whihc payment sytem your using unless you hook one of those
payment gateways you can pay direct to each other or use paypal mobile
and sell the correct product that doesnt look suspicious(I would have to
think about what would work perfect for that type of setup), If you just
want a quick cashout for low amounts you can have just middle and
cashouts but if you want to establish large amounts of funds cycling
consistently I wouldn't recommend it, if your strapped for cash just buy
a bunch of fullz bulk and create the correct accounts. The more you
bounce the less you'll have to worry about.
Summary :
cashout and middleman account must be in different location
the more money go through..bounce to numerous account, the less you'll
have to worry about
Dr.Clean wrote:
If its a guest checkout it really depends on the site you are using and
how valid paypal considers they're payments. Majority of the time they
are going to ask you to login for paypal to paypal transfers, unless your
using a online store or gateway that accepts credit cards as payment
directly to your paypal. If your doing that be sure to use socks or a vpn
that matches the cc's location so that you dont trigger PP's sec.
algorithms
It wont just clean it bouncing from account to account, cycle it through
an online store with very low transaction fee's( preferably very small
percentages not flat fee's you kill your profit with large percentages
when you start doing big transfers) Try not to send the entire amount at
once and split the cleaning up in to pieces ( 200-300 for $1000 cleaning)
(500-800) for cleaning 3-5k.
Summary :
bouncing from middle man to another middle man account will not clean the
funds
always use it via a payment gateway...cycle it with "buy" something on ecommerce store
do not send entire amount at once, and split the cleaning process
200 - 300 for $1000
500 - 800 for 3 - 5k
Dr.Clean wrote:
Call paypal from the the phone that verified the account, use the contact
us code on the phone it helps with verifying you have control of the
account, assume the account holders info when they ask and politely
explain that the hold is prohibiting you from continuing business, be
very persistent that you need this money, all paypal agents can lift
holds only certain agents can lift restrictions, Ive had holds lifted
after 5 mins on the phone majority of the time, if it doesn't work hang
up and call back and complete the same process with a different
agent(preferably a American woman foreigners seems to give a harder time)
Broadband: that may work simply because Idaho is a big state and it may
not trigger anything if the payments aren't coming and going to the exact
same place
I use a bunch of security measures to keep everything kosher
I run a VM through whonix through tails through openVPN and just buy
fresh socks5 and match the IP's to what ever info I need matched. But
dedicated IP's will do just fine if your not as computer savy.
Summary :
when call paypal. always spoof the number which is same number you
registered on paypal (spooftel)
use the contact us code provided. helps for verifying
remember the acc holder info, and politely explain the hold funds is
prohibiting u from continuing business. must be persistent
all paypal agent can lift holds. only certain agent can lift restriction
if agent asking too much questions, hang up and call back .. talk to
another agent which is less strict
Dr.Clean wrote:
The Ebay Scam method takes alot more setup then simply receiving dirty
funds from a cc(its not recommend to unless you have the time and cash to
do it right), the way I get around the 21 day holds is providing a
tracking number and providing shipping information(and calling paypal),
The ratio eBay scam is the easiest way to do it.
First in the description you put that the product is 1:15 ratio to scale
DO NOT PUT IT IN THE BEGINNING AT THE LISTING (nobody every reads the
product description when they see a great deal on something large) you
send them a letter in a box so that you can provide a tracking number
telling them that there product is arriving and providing a receipt this
will buy you more time to send something I just buy a bunch of 1:15 scale
doll appliances and place in the product description that these are
handmade and no refund will be provided ( Ive had Ebay side with me when
customers got angry and disputed when they received a doll fridge they
paid $700 for) If it states in the description then its nothing that the
customer can do so its semi legal your just tricking them into buying
something the customer doesn't want.
You need to doctor your ebay account alittle and pad its feedback to
successfully pull off this scam to get around Ebays limitations (honestly
it is easier to buy hacked bank accounts and create a paypal that matches
the bank info and simply transfer it out) I only really fool with ebay if
im running low on hacked business bank accounts) I like the ratio scams
because if you do it right its nothing the customer can do 1 and it takes
literally forever for a charge back Literally!!
Summary :
ebay scam also not easy to fund the account
to get around 21 days hold, is provide tracking number, provide shipping
information and call paypal
however easiest ebay scam is selling 1:15 fake product ratio
1:15 scale ratio DO not put it in the beginning at the listing, ppl
usually dont read product description when they see great deal on
something large
send them a letter in a box, (provide tracking number).. in the letter
tell them product is arriving and providing a receipt as well
also need to artifically create fake feedback on your ebay account and
removes the ebay limitations before start pulling this scams
it is easier buy hacked bank accounts and link with paypal. then transfer
it out
Dr.Clean wrote:
I usually stick to dedicated Ip's, VPN + RDP as socks5 sometimes get
blacklisted when a provider is known to become involved in fraudulent
activity but Convience sells a pretty good VPN socks5 and rdp package
that wouldnt give you any of the trouble simply buying socks5 may get you
into.
Summary :
stick to dedicated IP,
convivencia sells good vpn socks5 and rdp
Dr.Clean wrote:
mentalmario wrote:
Is it possible to cash out a stolen PP account?
... Well obviously yes, ofcourse its possible, But do you know how to do
it?
Dr.Clean :
Match the Location(get literally as close to the IP that is used as
possible),
Open a bank account that matches the info on the hacked account
preferably something you can open online
in the same dedicated IP you have matched up with paypal account
(build history and cookies for at least 1 week without moving any funds I
recommend 2-3 weeks just to be safe)
then transfer the funds to your middle man accounts (preferably 4-5
decreases the chance of your cashout account being hit with the
chargeback) create the middle man accounts with bulk fullz and buy a
verified business account for the cashout account( I recommend getting a
buyvcc business account letting it get limited then verifying it with
good doc scans triples the allowed limitations on daily transfers on
business account on limited then unrestricted accounts, and cashout with
a bank drop preferrably one with a physical ATM card
That's the easiest way Ive found so far.
Summary : How to cashout stolen paypal account
open bank account based on paypal info
open the bank account online
dedicated IP, must be closest possible location with the stolen paypal
address
build some cookies/browsing history at least 1 week,.. 2-3 weeks
recommended..login paypal, login online banking,browsing
then from stolen paypal..tranfer to middleman account.. to another
middleman 4-5 accounts
the last account which is cashout account. buy from buyvcc biz
account..withdraw limitation must be removed/unrestricted
then cashout with a bankdrop ..preferably with physical atm card
*Note - im not sure why Dr.Clean adviced to open bank account based on
the stolen paypal, but at the ends..seems not related lol
Dr.Clean wrote:
darmy wrote : What are some other ways to cashout/transfer out the funds
from the paypal account other than the ways mentioned such as freelance
sites, currency exchanges, shopping, and middle man accounts?
Sorry Brother didnt see this post
Buying Giftcards
from giftcardzen or giftcardgranny(be sure to match the IP they will flag
the account)
Going on Ebay selecting instore pickup for bestbuy or such and using a
fake name and ID, then return the next day and get the item transfer to a
giftcard and sell the giftcard for cash on craigslist
Clean the funds and sell them directly for BTC(be sure to clean the funds
first they will seize dirty funds)
Buy things for people on brawker.com and similar sites
at one point reckless was buying pp funds for btc( not sure if hes still
doing it)
and my favorite:
Get Dr. Clean to clean and cash the funds out for you for a %
Summary : Alternative cashout/transfer funds from paypal
buying giftcards at giftcardzen or giftcardgranny (have to match IP)
go to ebay, select instore pickup - bestbuy (require fake physical ID) ->
next day return the item back -> money transfer to giftcards -> sell
giftcards on craiglist
Buy things for people on brawker.com and similar sites
