Vegeta normal ssj1 ssj2 ssj4
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He already had the POTENTIAL for this, but hadn't had an emotional trigger. Vegeta and Gohan were the same i both multiplied them by 5. ThrashMaximum wrote: Are we still arguing with this utter moron about if Vegeta can go SSJ2, like he refuses to put in the most basic amount of research why are we even bothering entertaining him?
It's no easy task, and it's not the same for everyone. SS4 Goku barely held up a building, where as pre-Super Saiyan Z Goku smashed a mountain. The only Majin Vegeta that ever fought was SSJ2 Majin Vegeta, and hence he was the only version of Majin Vegeta shown.
I give it team 6. The true reason vegeta found out goku was stronger because as goku surged that light energy at Yakon it was his print inner strength formed as light energy period that made vegeta realize even as a trained ss2, Goku still holds the advantage. Have you forgotten the significant power difference between SSJ Trunks and SSJ Goku when they fought. I give it team 6. Not everyone likes to rely on unsourced wiki jesus. Allow me to clarify this for good. He clearly new about the power so he trained until he reached it. I remember when this was a big matter of debate.
This Forum has been archived - Just look at the ease with which Vegeta transformed into SSJ2 as Majin Vegeta. People forget that Vegeta said he would never fight again after Goku dies.
Sorry I think you're mistaken. SSJ is 50x base. SSJ2 is 2x SSJ. SSJ3 is 4x SSJ2. Whith this logic, ssj4 is ssj3 x 8. Keep in mind that Goku as ssj3 had nothing to do against baby, but as ssj4 he owned him. Makes sense to me anyway : It's not SSJ5 The introduction of SSJ5 would be momentous and would have been pretty clearly stated. Plus the differences between Goku and Vegeta SSJ4 and Gogeta SSJ4 are pretty subtle compared to the changes between SSJ1, 2, 3 and 4. Safe to assume that SSJ5 hasn't been seen yet and hopefully never will, tbh. Yeah, but that's because it was the first new SSJ form, and at the time there weren't other forms after it planned, so no one knew the 'official' name for it. SSJ3 and SSJ4 were named immediately after they appeared. But exactly, the series ended right after, so it wouldn't make sense to introduce an entirely new SSJ form for only 5 minutes. Given the drastic change between SSJ2, 3, and 4 1 and 2 are admittedly pretty similar , I think SSJ5 would be more clearly identifiable. Something like the AF SSJ5. Hey how do we know like someone said above ssj2 wasn't named untill buu saga, infact toriyama was planning on ending the dragonball manga after cell saga and ssj2 would've never been named, also the AF ssj5 is fan made and theres also some other stuff like gogetas hair being red instead of the saiyans hair color and normal gogeta's hair is black, also gogeta retained the clothing on the upper part of his body unlike the other ssj4s, also it was stated in the second dragonball gt perfect files that in the form gogeta took against omega shenron he was dozens of times stronger then a normal ssj4. Also this probably doesn't mean anything but when goku and vegeta fused when both in base form gogeta was ssj so why wouldn't he be ssj5 if they both were ssj4 Gogeta stomps Usually fusions are easily stronger than even ssj3. Ssj4 gogeta would stomp goku if he only has one more transformation over him-- 17:04, November 17, 2013 UTC ssj3gogeta96 Gogeta is ssj4 No Gogeta is a ssj4 because when Goku and Vegeta both fused they were in ssj4 form. The only way Gogeta would be ssj 5 is if eith Goku or Vegeta were ssj5 or both of them were ssj 5. The reason for the fur, hair, and eye color differences is because he's a fusion character. Gotenks has different hair color for the same reason. What makes you think two trained adult pure blooded SuperSJs couldnt ascend in a fused form. His hairs transformation was nothing like that of any of the other transformations, he never tore through his clothing or had it replaced. I think all of these drastic and radical changes and differences are there to let the viewers beleive what they want. It was meant to be an ending worthy of all the fans. It was open ended and totally different, i myself beleive it was due to their age by the end of GT as SSJ4 goku looks quite old to me. BUt in regards to gogeta SSJ4 i think it could very well be SSJ5 or something to leave our imagination open. Im getting a little of topic again to make my point about the possiblity of GOgeta reaching SSJ5. Also while typing this i wanted to mention the fact that the circumstances greating SSJG are also all very different. I did see a sub version but was pan a SSJ in the womb? Ill redit later to try and clarify on why i think he could be SSJ5. Ssj5 doesn't exist but I'm guessing that someone would have to be a Ssj2 great ape then control it. That would be interesting to see.
