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  1. Akamai acquiring Cloudflare?
  2. So far a bunch of CF employees working off of Akamai's offices and CF declining to comment. Has CF bled too much?
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  26. CF has been a decent service for too many people and it might have a staggering effect on them. Few cases we've seen a service improves after being bought out. I can only hope the same does not happen to them.
  28. Exciting if so!
  29. Unfounded rumors regardless, I wouldn't put much weight in them – at least until it's on TMZ.
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  34. So far a bunch of CF employees working off of Akamai's offices and CF declining to comment. Has CF bled too much?
  36. What's your plan B?
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  39. I don't care, dumped CloudFlare years ago as the performance was rubbish.
  40. Akamai do good deals on bandwidth if you know the right people.
  41. They have the best CDN network in the world hands down.
  42. Plus CloudFlare shot themselves in the foot a bit by complaining too much about large ISPs bandwidth pricing instead of just doing deals with them.
  43. Plus the DDoS protection is not that great, all it seams to be doing on WHT is delaying the loading of the site.
  44. Frankly I think Fastly is miles ahead of CloudFlare has far better transit arrangements particularly in Australia and NZ and it doesn't cost $200 a month just to get access to the 4 major providers in Au.
  46. If you are going to spend large sums of money on a CDN just buy Akamai they have servers in all the major ISPs globally and have done for years.
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  51. I don't care, dumped CloudFlare years ago as the performance was rubbish.
  52. Akamai do good deals on bandwidth if you know the right people.
  53. They have the best CDN network in the world hands down.
  54. Plus CloudFlare shot themselves in the foot a bit by complaining too much about large ISPs bandwidth pricing instead of just doing deals with them.
  55. Plus the DDoS protection is not that great, all it seams to be doing on WHT is delaying the loading of the site.
  56. Frankly I think Fastly is miles ahead of CloudFlare has far better transit arrangements particularly in Australia and NZ and it doesn't cost $200 a month just to get access to the 4 major providers in Au.
  58. If you are going to spend large sums of money on a CDN just buy Akamai they have servers in all the major ISPs globally and have done for years.
  59. You just read my mind
  61. We experienced some buggy too with loading sites from different users instead of ours. We told them about it and they said, every thing is fine and so we left many years ago
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  69. We experienced some buggy too with loading sites from different users instead of ours. We told them about it and they said, every thing is fine and so we left meany years ago
  70. I have noticed some issues with CloudFlare and SSL as well, with the certificates throwing security errors, but most of the issues with CloudFlare come from poor routing, they are not even on the same level when it comes to Akamai.
  71. If you use either the free or the pro plans in Australia with Cloudflare the traffic routes overseas on Telstra Optus and TPG who are three of the largest providers.
  72. Ware as Cloudfront from AWS is practically free and routes within Australia.
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  77. I would say if Akamai are going to buy CloudFlare it would be for the customer base rather then the technology as they have a number of enterprise customers.
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  82. I would say if Akamai are going to buy CloudFlare it would be for the customer base rather then the technology as they have a number of enterprise customers.
  83. I suspect the number of enterprise customers dwindled after cloud bleed. It's as if Akamai wants to axe and take out CF.
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  89. I suspect the number of enterprise customers dwindled after cloud bleed. It's as if Akamai wants to axe and take out CF.
  90. I think I now know the real reason.
  91. They Akamai and Cloudflare were both involved in a joint investigation with the FBI regarding dismantling DDoS as a service websites and having the people involved arrested.
  92. The investigation and such is still ongoing.
  93. I can't find the article but it came up on linkedin.
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  98. I think I now know the real reason.
  99. They Akamai and Cloudflare were both involved in a joint investigation with the FBI regarding dismantling DDoS as a service websites and having the people involved arrested.
  100. The investigation and such is still ongoing.
  101. I can't find the article but it came up on linkedin.
  102. Collaboration's got to be two way. Only CF employees are changing their physical address to Akamai's.
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  108. Cloudflare reminds me of Enron At the end of the day, a whole lotta nothin'.
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  112. Cloudflare reminds me of Enron At the end of the day, a whole lotta nothin'.
  113. Mind elaborating a bit on why you think this? They brought the idea of a CDN to even the smallest web site (free plans) and have a lot of very interesting features on the paid front. They've also reportedly been cash flow positive since 2014.
  115. Cloudflare reminds me of Enron At the end of the day, a whole lotta nothin'.
  116. That analogy makes no sense.
  118. - Enron was an energy company with shady financials. I don't recall them doing anything for their industry. Nothing groundbreaking, no technological or other feats. Most of their valuation was from bloated stock prices, and financial shenanigans ensued when it started to decrease. Sadly, the energy sector is full of greedy buttholes like that, always has been. It's about money, and nothing else.
  120. - CloudFlare is a pioneer not for CDN (a misnomer), but for their proxy caching system. They've made a marked contributions to not just the hosting world, but online existence in general. It's an extension of honeypot projects going back years before that, and was never about (only) money.
  122. Well, I was speaking from my experience. One analogy is that that they both came out of nowhere and EVERYONE jumped on the bandwagon and started shouting from the rooftops how great it was. Me, I never needed it and the one or two times I used it there were issues. My client sites are brochure sites and CDN is really not necessary. Also, I have heard of many others that had less than stellar experiences. I freely admit that my experiences are limited with CF.
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  126. I was trying to be funny. I really do not have any in depth knowledge of CF. Just never felt the need for it myself. It would not be the first time that a faction of the hosting industry was full of hype Unlimited space! Unlimited accounts!
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  130. they both came out of nowhere and EVERYONE jumped on the bandwagon and started shouting from the rooftops how great it was.
  131. Not really.
  132. I don't recall anybody doing that for Enron.
  133. And then I've known about CloudFlare since at least 2010 or 2011. (And initially, I was not a fan. They had huge issues for a few years, all eventually resolved.)
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  136. It would not be the first time that a faction of the hosting industry was full of hype
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  139. Well, I was speaking from my experience. One analogy is that that they both came out of nowhere and EVERYONE jumped on the bandwagon and started shouting from the rooftops how great it was. Me, I never needed it and the one or two times I used it there were issues. My client sites are brochure sites and CDN is really not necessary. Also, I have heard of many others that had less than stellar experiences. I freely admit that my experiences are limited with CF.
  140. Akamai was never sign-up for free and have DDOS protection for http(s) within a few minutes, but that's only part of Cloudflare story it's a super flexible proxy with dozens of features.
  142. Many of the sites I've seen with problems were poorly configured often some WP/Joomla/Magento sites on some hell host like Godaddy/Hostgator with terrible plugins - the easiest example would be having medium/higher protection but having a site that does retarded things that couldnt be inferred by a layer 7 proxy, wrong content-type's, 200 status codes for 500/403 errors etc..
  144. Cloudflare has really innovated over the years and attracts some of best software engineering talent out there, and produces some awesome technology products including edge workers (this was prior to Lambda@edge afaik). Let's not forget in 2018 alone being a leader in pushing ESNI (along with Mozilla), the first to use QUIC, the bandwidth alliance (holy hell), a key value store for workers on the edge. I consider Cloudflare one of the most innovate companies out there, I've been watching them since they tingered with FPGA for filtering, and squeezing every last drop of performance out of earlier Golang runtime and compiler. A whole lot of nothing? Jesus..., give me nothing any day.. Excuse me whilst I return to worship at the Matthew Prince shrine..
  146. I suspect they are just sharing legal counsel (based at Akamai offices) and nothing more..
  147. Last edited by MattF; 02-25-2019 at 11:26 PM.
  148. MattF - Since the start..
  150. Mind elaborating a bit on why you think this? They brought the idea of a CDN to even the smallest web site (free plans) and have a lot of very interesting features on the paid front. They've also reportedly been cash flow positive since 2014.
  151. Yeah stupid enallergy if anything what I was saying is that CloudFlare have become greedy in the last few years forcing Au customers to spend huge sums of money per month for all features, when AWS can deliver the same for a lot less.
  152. No chance of CF going bust when they charge Au customers $200 a month just to access every provider in Au instead of just a handful that peer.
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  157. Akamai was never sign-up for free and have DDOS protection for http(s) within a few minutes, but that's only part of Cloudflare story it's a super flexible proxy with dozens of features.
  159. Many of the sites I've seen with problems were poorly configured often some WP/Joomla/Magento sites on some hell host like Godaddy/Hostgator with terrible plugins - the easiest example would be having medium/higher protection but having a site that does retarded things that couldnt be inferred by a layer 7 proxy, wrong content-type's, 200 status codes for 500/403 errors etc..
  161. Cloudflare has really innovated over the years and attracts some of best software engineering talent out there, and produces some awesome technology products including edge workers (this was prior to Lambda@edge afaik). Let's not forget in 2018 alone being a leader in pushing ESNI (along with Mozilla), the first to use QUIC, the bandwidth alliance (holy hell), a key value store for workers on the edge. I consider Cloudflare one of the most innovate companies out there, I've been watching them since they tingered with FPGA for filtering, and squeezing every last drop of performance out of earlier Golang runtime and compiler. A whole lot of nothing? Jesus..., give me nothing any day.. Excuse me whilst I return to worship at the Matthew Prince shrine..
  163. I suspect they are just sharing legal counsel (based at Akamai offices) and nothing more..
  164. Verizon / Edgecast had dynamic content Acceleration a number of years ago as well, back in 2012 well before AWS, but it was expensive and so only enterprise companies could afford it.
  165. I think the likes of Fastly have done wonders at bringing some of those features into the main stream, but yeah from reading the article the other day I doubt CF or Akamai employees would be allowed to speak too much about it from what has been said. So you would need to rely on what the FBI have said publicly.
  166. Those organisation's don't really like you sharing info for obvious reasons, in that it would compromise any investigations.
  167. I actually don't think much of Lamda on AWS, with Cloudfront it is too much work to get dynamic content working correctly, much easier to just throw Akamai or Fastly at it.
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  172. Edgecast had
  173. Edgecast was not the easiest to use, either. I had experience with it for years pre-buyout. They always struck me as a "me too" follower of the pack, not any sort of industry leader. An Akamai wanna-be.
  175. AWS is large, but I've never had high opinions of them, especially in years past when spammers abused the servers for DDoS.
  177. well, they both offer similar threat prevention technologies but as far as the news goes, I am not sure its 100% correct hah.
  179. interesting seeing CF recently launched domain registry services , back in days before let's encrypt CF was go to solution for free ssl on shared hosting
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