You'll also notice that the M32R feels incredibly lightweight, considering its robust build quality. The idea is to for the console hardware on stage like a stage box and mix via your own device. Combine them with highly detailed scribble displays and you have a very powerful combo. I've mixed on the M32 a handful of times and always imported my scenes from my X32's and anon changed nothing, I honestly did not notice anything different sound wise. The M32-Mix iPad app is brilliantly laid out and very easy to manipulate. There are companies that may offer this ability, but now IMO--they would be hard to compete with this quality of sound. All tracks were normalized to -1 dBfs. The 32 input channels have access to all DSP sections and are very well featured. Yes, it requires some programming but the rewards are worth it. The M32 also has the classic main 24-bar meter, with separate mono solo and stereo main output meters. There are those that prefer a flat frequency response from their speakers. The TFT display has separate pages for input, output, aux and FX metering, along with a kitchen sink page with everything including P16 output monitoring.
So I want to upgrade from my ZED 14 to a digital console. I have been checking out the various options in this price range and the user interface on these is appealing to me. So the pre's on the X32 should be much better than my ZED and the Midas's pre's are better than the X32's. I know the M32 has better construction etc but this is intended for studio use. I have not been able to compare the two so if you guys have any experience I would to hear what you think... If you can afford the Midas,its a no brainer. Even nowday's,you get what you pay for. I bought an ADA8200 with ahem! I tried to sell it on ebay and I couldn't give it away. I saw a Raven MTi in person the other day and it was much smaller than I expected. Unfortunately I didn't get to play with it, but I do find the concept intriguing. You say you currently have a ZED 14? Have you looked at the ZED R16? It has much better pres than the 14 and is a very nice small analog console and DAW controller. And if you really want to take it up a notch, the GSR24m is hard to beat actually that is what I currently use. Both of these integrate a DAW controller with an analog console. I recently bougth the Behringer X32 Producer. I was also on a budget. I made a small review about it in this thread: My main point was to go for a more hands-on experience. Doing the final mix with faders, channel strip, etc without a mouse. You can read all about that in my thread linked above. I don't know that Raven MTi, but I have a feeling your cheaper off buying a big LCD Touch screen and then run the DAW of your own choice. I saw a in person the other day and it was much smaller than I expected. Unfortunately I didn't get to play with it, but I do find the concept intriguing. You say you currently have a ZED 14? Have you looked at the? It has much better pres than the 14 and is a very nice small analog console and DAW controller. And if you really want to take it up a notch, the GSR24m is hard to beat actually that is what I currently use. Both of these integrate a DAW controller with an analog console. The zed16 is non motorized faders - it's use as a DAW controller isn't that helpful. Vastly inferior to a proper motorized fader. It's generally large expensive relatively modern analogue desks that have recall. It's easy enough to document outboard of course There is the old soundengineers word, never send audio signals thru a device that has the name behringer on it. Every few years behringer bring products that are better or just half horrible for an unresistable price. They might be ok for the time beeing but most people invest in a sonical upgrade as soon they can. So behringer products are nothing you get old with. What actually suits theire build quality. So when plan to keep the desk for many years its better yo go for the better product from the start. For the question will the midas be 2000. Since midas is behringer too you should ask them. Ever thought about a secondhand yamaha dmc2000? I love a digital mixer like the Midas for several reasons. It is a good basic DAW controller with scribble strips. Great sounding mic pres that are clean and more neutral. Your work flow is with hardware knobs and faders, not with a mouse. Metering 6 Great routing capabilities. It has a modern look and WOW factor 8. I love a digital mixer like the Midas for several reasons. It is a good basic DAW controller with scribble strips. Great sounding mic pres that are clean and more neutral. Your work flow is with hardware knobs and faders, not with a mouse. Metering 6 Great routing capabilities. Waiting on one here. There is the old soundengineers word, never send audio signals thru a device that has the name behringer on it. Every few years behringer bring products that are better or just half horrible for an unresistable price. They might be ok for the time beeing but most people invest in a sonical upgrade as soon they can. So behringer products are nothing you get old with. What actually suits theire build quality. So when plan to keep the desk for many years its better yo go for the better product from the start. For the question will the midas be 2000. Since midas is behringer too you should ask them. Ever thought about a secondhand yamaha dmc2000? Ya, I'm an old sound guy. Wanted to hate the X32.. It sounds way better than it should. Takes some getting used to workflow wise, but not much. I would say the D2K does not have much if anything over it in sound quality. If you can's get a good mix on the X32 it's not the console. Does such a thing exist yet? I heard the m32's are shipping. Hello Philter, I put a M32 and X32 on a passive splitter and did a full band live studio tracking session this week. I'm assembling a video and some audio clips from the session and will post a link here as soon as possible. FYI, the midas snake is compatible with the x32 and only a few hundred more than the s16 digital snake so you can do like me and save on a budget by getting an x32 producer, and by the time you're ready to upgrade from some great sounding pres to some amazing ones, you might also be in need of a good digital snake now you have 32 channels with half the x32 pres and half real midas. I have to say I'm thoroughly impressed by the x32 producer sound, capability, and form factor. I use an analog snake for live and studio applications along with the klark tekink turbosound iq speakers that just came out from music group for this board. Soon as I can I'll get the midas snake for more flexibility and the preamp quality. But I can't see ever being let down by the x32 ones. If one day I'm just dying to have all the midas pres I can buy another snake. I think this a great way to get a ton of bang for a little buck at a time. The files and additional information can now be found on my blog: Here's the direct link to the files: Thanks for doing this! Just noticed it now. The files and additional information can now be found on my blog: Here's the direct link to the files: Thanks for doing this! Just noticed it now. There isn't much, if any noticeable difference. I listened to all the files one after another, side by side Panned both ways, little section by little section. There really isn't a difference between them. I think probably the only difference between the Desks is maybe the build quality. I have an X32 and have used it for a number of gigs and events. I'm not a lover of other behringer equipment and tend to avoid it as I have had a few bits go down during use and not last a year. I read a load of reviews before buying and have still to come across a review that has anything majorly negative to say about the X32, from someone who either has or has used an X32. Most come from the, apologise for this, 'Midas snobs' of which I was one, who have never used the behringer. Really great desk, a semi converted behringer Fan. I have had the Midas M32 in my studio for a week to learn before I sent it back to the church. Really a very nice digital mixer. In comparing it to the Mackie 48 channel mixer were replacing, it has a cleaner detailed sound with a nice sparkled top end. Effects are very good, as well as reverbs. Nothing to complain at this point. We are getting an iPad this week and I will have to setup the software and get it hooked into the router at church. Faders feel very solid. It's funny to me that analog mixers seem to shine in the studio, and digital mixers in the live setting. I guess it's just different workflow and sonic needs. Well, a digital console is just a bunch of preamps, a digital mixer with FX and processing, and a control surface. A DAW with an interface and control surface is exactly the same. A digital console is the worst of both worlds - you get none of the sonic benefits of analogue, but it's still not part of the DAW. For live, digital makes perfect sense - there's no DAW involved, and the recall factor can't be stated highly enough - mixing for 4 bands a night becomes easy - you don't have to set it for the headliners, and make minimal changes for everyone else anymore! A lot of people have used a 01V96, DM1000, 02R96 DM 2000, and the older Sony digital mixer with DAW's and we're happy them. As long as there is no weak chain with the mixer like quality of converters, for some it is a viable option for studio use. One benefit with a digital mixer in the studio is you don't use the CPU of your computer. They have improved the sound of the effects as well since the Yammy digital mixers came out. Modeling compressors are standard and EQ that is not sterile sounding anymore. Some prefer working with faders and knobs over a mouse as well. Granted the work flow is not as fast as grabing a mouse but then they have software for the digital mixer for your computer to control the effects as well. Having group faders, mute groups, built in talk back are other bonus features. Everything from mic pre's , converters, faders, and DAW control are all in one box. Makes things more simple. When I had my Behringer DDX digital mixer I routed all the channels from my DAW to the mixer. It stays in digital so there is no conversion of the sound and stays pure. I was happy to use the effects and i found I just mixed on the digital mixer. Then saved the song with all the settings on the mixer. The big drawback was the low quality converters. I bought Mytek converters and then knew I had to sell the mixer. I could switchto the M32 for my studio as well. It's not designed for it as much but it could fit the bill.
