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#17740316 - 02/03/13 07:33 PM (1 day, 14 hours ago)
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When you think that way about reality, reality becomes that way, as if it were magnetically attracted to your thinking. It is your mind that works. We want to know how reality works; it is your mind that works.
Pretty sure the latest modern physics pretty much says this, ie. it is no longer physics but a realization of what I just said, but the mainstream science is unwilling to take things that far just yet. Probably on an individual level people are unwilling to become uncomfortable, they have not had their egos perturbed through living a safe, lawful, society-supported life and so do not see the falseness of thinking you are a singular localised entity, easily a recipe for a psychotic break for some of these people.
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Re: Physics/science is right but it created itself [Re: circastes] +
#17740326 - 02/03/13 07:36 PM (1 day, 14 hours ago)
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So if I think I'm superman (like I thought when I was a kid) then I become superman cause I create reality. Do I have this right?
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#17740346 - 02/03/13 07:40 PM (1 day, 14 hours ago)
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You will do something like superman, like mutter some phrase under your breath, in a way that is peculiar to your personality. It is seemingly impossible to be conscious of it as it happens, later you can reflect and claim some understanding, but the actual act is spontaneous and has not occurred in reality before, and you are synonymous with it.
You can't just lift off from the ground and fly. That is really a lack of wakefulness that misunderstands the presence of the reality around you.
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#17740369 - 02/03/13 07:46 PM (1 day, 14 hours ago)
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The closer we look on the outside, the more imperceivable reality becomes.
The answers aren't out there, they're in there. All is love, even hate and pain.
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Re: Physics/science is right but it created itself [Re: circastes] + 2
#17740420 - 02/03/13 07:58 PM (1 day, 14 hours ago)
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Pretty sure the latest modern physics pretty much says this
Nope. I'm pretty sure you don't have a clue about what modern physics says. :sorry:
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#17740448 - 02/03/13 08:05 PM (1 day, 14 hours ago)
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:haha: I'm Superman.
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Re: Physics/science is right but it created itself [Re: Icelander] +
#17741771 - 02/04/13 12:21 AM (1 day, 10 hours ago)
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Well I read a book by Ken Wilber with all the greatest physicists talking about the implications of their work.
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#17742186 - 02/04/13 03:05 AM (1 day, 7 hours ago)
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:lol: OK then please explain your position in greater detail.
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#17742256 - 02/04/13 03:48 AM (1 day, 6 hours ago)
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Well I read a book by Ken Wilber with all the greatest physicists talking about the implications of their work.
Ken Wilber is not a physicist. He's a writer with a commercialized mystic-head slant. No physicist in that book said anything resembling that thinking something will make it happen or that reality is "magnetically attracted to your thinking". But I wouldn't put it past Wilber to make up some horseshit in order to sell more books to the gullible.
If you want to learn physics, why are you reading a fiction book in the new age section of the book store? Why not pick up a real physics book and filter out all the mumbo jumbo? You're not going to learn physics in the new age section, and your OP is glaring evidence of this.
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#17742258 - 02/04/13 03:53 AM (1 day, 6 hours ago)
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Science is just our newest feeble attempt to explain the world around us. What we know as fact today will surely be revised and replaced in the future as better information becomes available and as political and societal pressure force science to lie to various ends. In a lot of ways science presents no more accurate a picture of reality than religions before it. And science is a religion too. It has it's own catechism and deeply help beliefs too.
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#17742273 - 02/04/13 04:02 AM (1 day, 6 hours ago)
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And science is a religion too.
This is pure ignorance.
Science is based on observations. Religion is based on faith, often even denying observations.
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#17742305 - 02/04/13 04:41 AM (1 day, 5 hours ago)
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Science is as well. Religion uses things that are understood to explain things that are not understood. For example in the Egyptian stellar religion, when the belt of the Orion constellation comes back into view on the ecliptic the Nile floods therefore Orion brings the flood that nourishes the soil. Science just uses better observations and repeatable experiments. Scientific facts today will almost surely 1,000 years from now seem just as absurd.
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#17742354 - 02/04/13 05:19 AM (1 day, 5 hours ago)
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Science is just our newest feeble attempt to explain the world around us.
I just don't get this.
The computer you're typing on - is it real? It's just that I pretty much accepted as fact that electrons can travel within certain substances and not others, and that by manipulation and placement of certain materials, electron travel can be controlled in such a way as to be useful to humans. Is this not true, and just someones feeble guess at how it works?
I mean, if it is a feeble guess, it would be difficult to reproduce these behaviours, or scale it to the levels we see today. If it is a "guess", it's a very good one it seems to me.
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#17742380 - 02/04/13 05:36 AM (1 day, 4 hours ago)
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Well sure humans have a slightly better understanding of the world now. But a lot of the things we take for granted as "scientific facts" will be replaced just like all the failed dogmas before it. Anyone arguing otherwise is doing so out of arrogance imo. Science has it's own dogmas and catechisms just like other religions. Scientists pretend their beliefs are absolute certainties just like the papists of the dark ages. Surely they are just deluded to think such things. I have no doubt future generations will look back on 21st century scientists and think "how quaint that they thought that back then," the way we do about even more primitive people than ourselves.
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#17742423 - 02/04/13 06:17 AM (1 day, 4 hours ago)
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Well sure humans have a slightly better understanding of the world now.
Slightly? So vaccinations, antibiotics, the combustion engine, the transistor, the jet engine, nuclear fusion, the internet...they're all slight improvements, caused by slight understanding?
Be serious, our understanding of the world has lead to dramatic changes in the way we live - our lives are evidence of the vast understanding we have developed so far.
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Rail_Gun said:But a lot of the things we take for granted as "scientific facts" will be replaced just like all the failed dogmas before it. Anyone arguing otherwise is doing so out of arrogance imo.
Scientific "facts" are only held as long as they're useful. As soon as they're disproved, or found to be wanting in any way, they get thrown away. There are no "dogmas" or "facts" in science that are immune to being cast aside as soon as someone can prove they're not as valid as first thought. Obviously things progress, and observations that were once thought to be true can suddenly become as valid as a fairy story. The thing is, without a better explanation, or more valid proof, the best theory stands. Sure it would be arrogant to say "string theory is definately how the universe works", but it's equally arrogant and infinately more ignorant to say "science has been wrong in the past, therefore everyting known now is probably false".
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Name them please. What tennets of science depend on faith alone?
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Rail_Gun said:Scientists pretend their beliefs are absolute certainties just like the papists of the dark ages.
They don't. That's why they're scientists - they need to challenge and prove everything - even the work of their peers.
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Rail_Gun said:Surely they are just deluded to think such things.
Deluded to think science today is 100% complete and acurate? Certainly they are - but please find me a respected scientist who believes this. I think it's you who's projecting this belief of science being "all knowing", it's certainly not a view shared in scientific circles.
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We think they were quaint for thinking the earth was flat, but once proved (and religious types quitened down), we admire the way they accepted the new "truth" and worked with the new knowledge. Now, if someone proves the earth is actually sausage shaped, and the sausage test is repeatable and valid, we'll rejig our science again.
Science progresses, I hardly think it's useful to debunk todays science, as progress may render current knowledge useless. We work with what we've got - if it's flawed we look for the flaws and try to remedy them. We don't stick our head in the sand and ignore what disagrees with us.
Science isn't anything other than a way of looking at the world, in some ways like a religion or belief - where science differs is it has the humility to say "this is our best guess at how it works, but if you've got a better guess, we'll replace it immediately". This system has lead to our current understanding of the world, and it's certainly not a group of feeble guesses. More a collection of brilliant guesses that is subject to testing over and over again, that will never be held as absolute truths and will always be open to replacement.
Of course, if you know better, prepare your report, back it up with research and submit it to a journal - if you're right, they'll admit it.
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#17742451 - 02/04/13 06:36 AM (1 day, 3 hours ago)
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I don't know
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Pretty sure the latest modern physics pretty much says this
Nope. I'm pretty sure you don't have a clue about what modern physics says. :sorry:
I posted a thread on John Hagelin, who essentially says this, that we attract experiences into our lives. That reality is made by us essentially. and he IS a modern physicist. Granted it is all theory, but he has enough studies and evidence to suggest that what he is talking about has some merit.
Didn't Max Plannc mention this? I regard consciousness as fundamental. I regard matter as derivative from consciousness. We cannot get behind consciousness. Everything that we talk about, everything that we regard as existing, postulates consciousness.
If you are going to mention quantum physics don't leave out some of things said by it's most prominent figures.
This is why RAW mentioned that those Chinese who studied the Iching were never dumbfounded by quantum physics. It is only the naivety of western thinking, and misconceptions about our model of reality that doesn't allow us to understand how two objects can apparently be in multiple places at the same time, or go through objects, and all the other mysterious behavior quantum physics has shown.
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