Looking for new VPS/dedi host
I administer multiple servers across multiple vendors at my job. We are looking to simplify, consolidate, and update our setup.
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One of our VPSes is with LiquidWeb, which we are fairly happy with. They offer something called a Private VPS Parent, which is a dedi that is limited to managing VPS children; this may be a perfect solution for our needs. They will also support those VPS children.
However, the data center is in Michigan, which isn't horrible, but I would prefer something located in Dallas if at all possible.
Two of our older servers are with Rackspace in Chicago. I can't get a great understanding of what Rackspace offers from their website that might be similar to what LiquidWeb has, but I do know that we're paying far too much for the servers we have there. LW seems to be significantly cheaper. And obviously Rackspace does have a Dallas data center, so there's that.
The goal is to end up with servers from the same vendor in the same data center.
Criteria:
- Need plenty of storage (all 3 servers combined are currently using ~380GB)
- RAM is good (currently have 8GB per server but more is always welcome)
- High level and quality of support
- Robust backup functionality
- Ability to scale server resources as needed (current Rackspace servers are a bit limited on this)
- Lastly, our web design clients often ask who we host with before signing with us, and for that reason we prefer names that are recognizable to people outside the industry
- Some kind of monitoring is nice
What budget do you have in mind? And what about control panel?
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Budget isn't a huge issue because I'm sure almost anything will be cheaper that what we have now (unless it's way more than what we need, of course). We're currently spending more than $1k/mo on all 3 combined.
The LiquidWeb VPS is currently running cPanel, and the Rackspace servers are on Plesk. If I have to choose between the two for future plans, I might pick cPanel, but we're not totally decided on whether we will actually need it or not. I'm also open to recommendations/opinions on that.
Last edited by GarrettW; 04-24-2019 at 06:07 PM.
Garrett W.
Just thinking out loud why don't you just take out the middleman get your own server & virtualize it either rent or colo with at least 2x your current resources it would save you some $$$
and then when clients ask
- Lastly, our web design clients often ask who we host with before signing with
you can say your the host
plenty of providers the Dallas & Chicago markets
Yes, to be honest you could get an excellent specification dedicated server, then run a virtualisation platform, such as Virtualizor or SolusVM (or a number of others, such as Proxmox etc) to spin up those VPS servers which would be significantly cheaper than the setup you have currently.
For monitoring, we use something called NixStats to monitor both our own servers, and our clients that opt for a managed service - you should check it out, its excellent.
As long as your provider uses a DC with all of the required accreditations, and have a great reputation themselves in terms of support, reliability etc - I am sure that would mean far more, than those companies that use their brand names to charge the earth
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I administer multiple servers across multiple vendors at my job. We are looking to simplify, consolidate, and update our setup.
One of our VPSes is with LiquidWeb, which we are fairly happy with. They offer something called a Private VPS Parent, which is a dedi that is limited to managing VPS children; this may be a perfect solution for our needs. They will also support those VPS children.
However, the data center is in Michigan, which isn't horrible, but I would prefer something located in Dallas if at all possible.
Two of our older servers are with Rackspace in Chicago. I can't get a great understanding of what Rackspace offers from their website that might be similar to what LiquidWeb has, but I do know that we're paying far too much for the servers we have there. LW seems to be significantly cheaper. And obviously Rackspace does have a Dallas data center, so there's that.
The goal is to end up with servers from the same vendor in the same data center.
Criteria:
- Need plenty of storage (all 3 servers combined are currently using ~380GB)
- RAM is good (currently have 8GB per server but more is always welcome)
- High level and quality of support
- Robust backup functionality
- Ability to scale server resources as needed (current Rackspace servers are a bit limited on this)
- Lastly, our web design clients often ask who we host with before signing with us, and for that reason we prefer names that are recognizable to people outside the industry
- Some kind of monitoring is nice
Looking at the Private VPS Parent offering in more depth, I would suggest as others. Just look at getting a dedicated server(s) and then run one of the standard VPS control panels such as Virtualizor, which would then allow you to manage the VPSes as you need it. The key will to be figure out what sever specs you are currently using for each VPS, weather any of the VPSes need dedicated CPU cores, etc as well as leaving in some room to scale individual VPSes if needed. From there a hosting company should be able to put together a package for you that will not only give you better control, but more then likely at a cheaper rate. The nice thing about Virtualizor is one control panel can manage multiple servers if it comes down to that being your best option.
Do you need a control panel on each vps? (cPanel, Plesk, etc)
Do any of the VPSes run windows? (This could change what virtual platform is suggested you run, i.e. KVM, Xen PVHVM, etc).
As you are looking at multiple servers, many clients do a round-robin backup. Server A backup to Server B, Server B backup to Server C, Server C backup to Server A. This way all the backups are are 100% in your complete control and Virtualizor supports this nicely. You can also have the ability to add a second disk to each VPS, to give each VPS its own backup on a separate drive. To make things like restoring databases, etc super easy for an individual VPS
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Why don't we just get a dedicated box and do everything ourselves? It's a fair question, but...
I am one of 3 web developers who happens to know the most about server admin-ing. We don't have a dedicated server admin. And if I'm out of the office for some reason, I'd have to hope my colleagues could figure it out. One of them *might* could.
Basically my superiors want/need more of an insurance policy than a typical dedi would offer without having to hire for an actual server admin position (because truthfully we don't have enough going on to warrant a full position just for that).
and then when clients ask
you can say your the host
plenty of providers the Dallas & Chicago markets
We could technically say that now, but our clients aren't quite uninformed enough to stop there. Some of them want specifics. For example, one of our clients is a sizable manufacturing outfit, and just this last week, as part of updating their DR (disaster recovery) documentation, they needed info from us about all the important details of how we host their site, what our backup plan is, how they're protected from network/server/etc. outages and loss... granted, most of our clients don't ask for that much, but sometimes it does happen.
For monitoring, we use something called NixStats to monitor both our own servers, and our clients that opt for a managed service - you should check it out, its excellent.
Thanks, I appreciate the recommendation. We're looking at monitoring solutions and I will definitely include that one in my shortlist.
Do you need a control panel on each vps? (cPanel, Plesk, etc)
Do any of the VPSes run windows? (This could change what virtual platform is suggested you run, i.e. KVM, Xen PVHVM, etc).
The LiquidWeb server is currently running cPanel, and the two at Rackspack have Plesk. We have not made a decision yet as to whether either one of those will be part of our future architecture.
All of our servers are on CentOS (one has 5, one has 6, and one has 7... lol).
Why don't we just get a dedicated box and do everything ourselves? It's a fair question, but...
I am one of 3 web developers who happens to know the most about server admin-ing. We don't have a dedicated server admin. And if I'm out of the office for some reason, I'd have to hope my colleagues could figure it out. One of them *might* could.
Basically my superiors want/need more of an insurance policy than a typical dedi would offer without having to hire for an actual server admin position (because truthfully we don't have enough going on to warrant a full position just for that).
We could technically say that now, but our clients aren't quite uninformed enough to stop there. Some of them want specifics. For example, one of our clients is a sizable manufacturing outfit, and just this last week, as part of updating their DR (disaster recovery) documentation, they needed info from us about all the important details of how we host their site, what our backup plan is, how they're protected from network/server/etc. outages and loss... granted, most of our clients don't ask for that much, but sometimes it does happen.
Thanks, I appreciate the recommendation. We're looking at monitoring solutions and I will definitely include that one in my shortlist.
The LiquidWeb server is currently running cPanel, and the two at Rackspack have Plesk. We have not made a decision yet as to whether either one of those will be part of our future architecture.
All of our servers are on CentOS (one has 5, one has 6, and one has 7... lol).
There are plenty of hosting companies that still can provide management of dedicated servers, especially if you unify your control panel. Many companies have automated scripts with technician oversight to apply things like security updates, patches, and critical failures. As well as many monitor things like cpu loads, ram usage, disk space usage and other drive data (smartdata) to ensure the server and Virtual Machines keeps running properly.
Its a matter of finding the right hosting company to provide you with a solution that makes the most sense for you. A disaster recovery plan should always be in place, even if it means on complete failure you 100% replace the server, reload everything and backup from a nightly backup. But sometimes you need more then that and there are steps that need to be put in place to give you the option that meets you and your clients needs.
The nice thing about running your own servers on the same platform is even at worst case scenario, you have to reduce the number of servers you run due to a complete hardware failure, its a quick and easy solution to get everyone back and going by restoring backups of the down server to other servers in your cluster. This might mean all customers see a decrease in performance until the "Dead" server can be brought back online, but at least everyone is up and working. But this is also were planning for expansion is important and should be taken into consideration in your disaster recovery solution.
Without knowing the exact specs of each virtual machine / server you are running right now, its really hard to discuss exact solutions that could potentially work for you, but I can say you are not alone in making this transition and companies due this type of thing all the time. Weather it be combining all hosting solutions from multiple providers, such as your are trying to do or coming from options like AWS or Azure to have more control and better pricing.
The best thing I can suggest to you is highly document all your existing solutions.
CPU - Not only number of cores, but the speed each core
Memory - Physical and Swap Memory Assigned
Disk Space Assigned and actual usage (with breakdown of /home directory and /backup as with cPanel for example)
Average CPU Load
cPanel Daily Process Log info from WHM (Im sure Plesk has something similar, I just am not familiar with Plesk enough to know what its called)
cPanel Apache Status from WHM (Same as above)
From there you can reach out to hosting providers and your current situation can be fully analyzed and solution can start to be developed. Many may tell you that you can do everything with one large server, which is while that maybe true, the industry is slowly moving away from this and using smaller servers in clusters as a general rule. Simply because it does make having a realistic disaster plan much easier. Plus it makes it easier to grow in the future as business expands.
Tony Holloway
Delivering Custom Hosting Solutions Since January 2004
madRooster.com
Fun Name ... Serious Solutions
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